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Quoting ObiKen:
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If the Rating Details rule is followed literally then it also includes conjunctions such as [although, before, after, because, how, once, since, that, unless, until, when] as being in lower case because they are all joining words.
Was that the rules intention?
I highly doubt that. My guess would be that Ken wanted the Rating Details to mimic the capitalization that is often used in US Rating Details (but not in UK ones), for consistency. Not sure what rules studios followed when doing Rating Details, but likely one of the Title Capitalization rules. | Posted: Topic Replies: 23, Topic Views: 3815 |
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Quoting rdodolak:
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Ok, but that would be for titles. Why apply it to the rating details when the guidelines state:
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For English profiles, capitalize all words except joining words such as "of", "the", "a", "in", etc."
I seriously doubt that Ken actually intended that different capitalization rules should apply to Titles and Rating Details.
The rule for Rating Details is vague:
capitalize all words except joining words such as "of", "the", "a", "in", etc.
My guess would be that the Titles rule started out equally vague, and then Ken decided to make it clearer by introducing the capitalization tool, but he neglected to clarify that the Rating Details should follow the same rule. | Posted: Topic Replies: 23, Topic Views: 3815 |
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By the way, Ken's tool has a quirk that doesn't seem to jell with AP rules:
it is a far-fetched idea
converts to
It Is a Far-Fetched Idea
However
it is a Far-fetched idea
converts to
It Is a Far-fetched Idea
So, hyphenated words are converted differently depending on if the first part is already hyphenated. Weird!
Not sure if I should embrace that...?
However, it looks like the AP rules would mean that the movie title "Gas-s-s-s" should be "Gas-S-S-S".  | Posted: Topic Replies: 23, Topic Views: 3815 |
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Quoting ObiKen:
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Here's others to add to the list:
out
per
pro
qua
via
I would also check whether the word is preceded by other characters, such as parenthesis or brackets, as this may result in the capitalization of the words before and after the character. If a comma precedes these special characters then it may only capitalise the following word. That is my observation, for what its worth.
Thank you! I already had "out", but I'm adding the rest. The word "qua" was new to me, I must admit. I had to look it up. | Posted: Topic Replies: 23, Topic Views: 3815 |
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Quoting paulb_99:
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Geweld, angst is Dutch, while these word also appear to be German as well in the context
of rating details i don’t think they are used in German ratings as such,
Dutch Rating details have Geweld, Angst, Discriminatie, Grof Taalgebruik, Seks and Roken, Alcohol en Drugs (used to be Alcohol en Drugs Misbruik if i recall correctly).
But does Dutch do title capitalization? No matter, the program will do title capitalization by the English rules. I guess the user will have to decide if it is applicable to any other language. | Posted: Topic Replies: 23, Topic Views: 3815 |
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Quoting Kishiro:
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I can only see two words missing; 'so' and 'yet' (as mentioned by ObiKen).
Sorry, forgot to comment on this before. I have added "so". Thanks for the heads up! 
I am now up to this:
a, aka, an, and, as, at, but, by, de, for, in, nor, of, off, on, or, out, so, to, the, up, vs, yet
All these have been verified in Invelos' capitalization tool.
If anyone can think of any other joining words that are missing, please let me know. | Posted: Topic Replies: 23, Topic Views: 3815 |
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Quoting movie_madness:
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Also, the first word after a colon or dash must be capitalized even if it is otherwise in lower case. E.g.:
Correct: Star Trek 4: The Voyage Home
Incorrect: Star Trek 4: the Voyage Home.
Yes, I'm handling colon. I hadn't thought of dash. Making a note of that. Thanks!
Edit: I think you meant hyphen rather than dash. It seems you can't use dash (en dash or em dash) in titles or rating details. We sometimes refer to a hyphen as a dash, but that is technically incorrect, afaik. | Posted: Topic Replies: 23, Topic Views: 3815 |
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Quoting rdodolak:
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Why would "Off" be lower case for rating details since the guidelines state "For English profiles, capitalize all words except joining words"?
I don't know, but that's how Ken's capitalization tool does it, so I follow suit. | Posted: Topic Replies: 23, Topic Views: 3815 |
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Title capitalization seems to be used in English only.
It is a problem in capitalization tools, because it is so hard to detect what language a short string is in. I have tested a couple of language detection controls, but they are way too incorrect for this purpose.
I am working on a tool that will let you check all titles, original titles and rating details in your collection. It'll show incorrect results for non-English entries, but that's something we will have to live with (and ignore).
Here's a preview, showing incorrectly capitalized words:
Obviously "Geweld, angst" is German and should not be title capitalized, but what can I do? 
Checking locality and/or CoO is also too much hit-or-miss.
Anyway, for English I think I am close to the results that the title capitalization tool show. At least I haven't noticed any obvious mistakes. But it's really hard to be sure. | Posted: Topic Replies: 23, Topic Views: 3815 |
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There's an oddity in Invelos' capitalization tool. If you enter a title in all caps, it only changes those special words.
BATTLE FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES
is changed to
BATTLE for the PLANET of the APES
rather than
Battle for the Planet of the Apes
That seems a bit weird to me. | Posted: Topic Replies: 23, Topic Views: 3815 |
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Quoting ObiKen:
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What about these word examples, they stay lower case using the Invelos capitalization tool:
• yet
• aka ("also known as" )
I actually realized "aka" when testing, but I would not have guessed "yet". Thanks for that!
I'm a little surprised that the capitalization tool capitalizes "From" and "With". There are a lot of titles in the database where those are not capitalized. | Posted: Topic Replies: 23, Topic Views: 3815 |
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| Another thing; I seem to recall having read long ago that Invelos' title filter (on contribution) doesn't exactly match the Capitalization Tool that is found in the rules. Does anyone know if that actually is the case, and if so what the difference is? | Posted: Topic Replies: 23, Topic Views: 3815 |
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I am a bit uncertain of the title capitalization rules that should be followed in DVD Profiler. There seems to be a lot of different rules out there, so it's not entirely clear to me which to apply.
Here is what I am trying to do now (when updating ClipCapitalizer):
- Always capitalize the first and last word.
- Keep the following words in lower case (unless first or last):
a, an, and, as, at, but, by, for, in, nor, of, off, on, or, out, to, the, up, vs
Have I missed anything?
Edit: I see that in the rules it says AP style. That doesn't help me much though. So any thoughts are welcome. | Posted: Topic Replies: 23, Topic Views: 3815 |
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Some intensive use revealed a couple of sneaky, but seldom occurring problems.
Hopefully fixed now in version 1.0.1
A tip: If you want to fix incorrectly capitalized Rating Details, have ClipCapitalizer running, put the cursor in the Rating Details field and hit Ctrl-acv. Done! Very useful if you have several profiles to fix. | Posted: Topic Replies: 2, Topic Views: 1055 |
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Quoting nanoron:
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If you are worried about them going belly up, I believe you can export your My Movies database as XML or CSV, which should allow you to move to yet another app.
Can you export even if the site is down, though? You could make sure that you always have an up-to-date export, but few people are that anticipatory. | Posted: Topic Replies: 92, Topic Views: 15996 |
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Quoting mediadogg:
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Bottom line is that we are clearly being left in the dark on purpose, but we are also being supported, at significant cost, also on purpose. And for the latter, I am grateful.
Yeah, I agree. Some people have suggested that maybe Ken just got tired of DVD Profiler and left without a word. I don't believe that for a second. My initial thought was that maybe it was a legal thing. Now I lean more towards Ken being physically unable to continue for whatever reason. I don't know why the site is still up and running, but like you I am grateful that it is. | Posted: Topic Replies: 92, Topic Views: 15996 |
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Yep, updated to iPadOS 18 and the app seems to work just the same as it did before.
iPadOS itself, on the other hand, seems a bit buggy. Works with a few bugs on Ipad Air, but iPad pro seems to have bigger problems. Probably a good idea to hold off until 18.1. | Posted: Topic Replies: 7, Topic Views: 1386 |
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This is a specialized tool that I wrote when I started to update British releases with rating details from BBFC. Its function is very simple. When you copy a string to the clipboard, this tool automatically catches it, capitalizes it according to the rules, and then re-pastes on the clipboard. The result - when you copy something and then paste it, it has automatically been properly capitalized.
You can, of course, use it to capitalize anything, not just BBFC's rating details.
The window shows the capitalized string, if you want to verify it before pasting.
Or you can minimize it and just trust it to do its job ...
There is no help file, but all details are available at the download page. | Posted: Topic Replies: 2, Topic Views: 1055 |
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Quoting nanoron:
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Does Lowpro's comment "My Movies v5 and higher went to a mandatory sync model" mean they store your database online instead of locally? If so, what's wrong with that?
It means that one would be totally at the mercy of MyMovies online database being available. There would be no way to use the program at all if it went offline. | Posted: Topic Replies: 92, Topic Views: 15996 |
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I think that mediadogg has explained quite well why writing a DVD Profiler replacement would be a momentous task. But there is another thing that he touched upon, but didn't really highlight. Unlike programs like PKZIP and VLCPlayer, DVD Profiler is not just a stand-alone program, it also features an intricate background system and server storage. This is not something that a voluntary group of programmers can manage. It takes money, and a business to set it up.
Would it help if DVD Profiler was made open source? I'm not sure. It is written in Delphi, and that's not a very popular language nowadays, I believe. Open access to Invelos' database would have been nice, but that would still be dependent on Invelos' website remaining available. | Posted: Topic Replies: 92, Topic Views: 15996 |
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Quoting Lowpro:
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My Movies v5 and higher went to a mandatory sync model.
Ouch! That was not the case when I tested it quite some time ago. I don't like that. And I don't like Collectorz. So what can be my backup plan if I do have to abandon Profiler in the future?  | Posted: Topic Replies: 92, Topic Views: 15996 |
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| I admit defeat. I have withdrawn those contributions. | Posted: Topic Replies: 10, Topic Views: 2583 |
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| We don't include additional for anything else, so why should we include Additional Visual Effects? | Posted: Topic Replies: 5, Topic Views: 1798 |
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Quoting Nexus the Sixth:
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I see no problem entering it as it is. No need to consult other sources when its plainly written on the cover.
Yes, it is plainly written, but does that make it Rating Details? If it is not in this format, do we take other descriptions that is plainly written on the back cover as Rating Details? Where do we draw the line?
Does this "reflect BBFC rating info given at the time of release"? How do we know? This is obviously something that is written by a third party, probably someone at the media company. Is this really what Ken intended by Rating Details? Shouldn't Rating Details be defined by someone who has intimate knowledge of BBFC:s decision making, i.e. someone at BBFC? | Posted: Topic Replies: 10, Topic Views: 2583 |
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| Needless to say, if the majority thinks that I'm in the wrong, then I will withdraw my contributions. | Posted: Topic Replies: 10, Topic Views: 2583 |