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So how do you catalogue the movies on your HDD? |
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Registered: January 4, 2013 | Posts: 4 |
| Posted: | | | | G'day,
I like your program. I don't mind paying for it. And I like it more than the product from collectorz.com (mostly because I don't like the owners attitude over there, and the way he replied to my sales enquiries ('look it up on the website!'...). And since business and sales is mostly a case of wanting to give a good business man your business, he is out. Good business starts with proper manners :D
Anyway, it seems your product doesn't scan the movies on my hard drives / servers / network shares. That appears to be a big ommission, especially in this time and age of downloading movies instead of buying them physically in the store. For sure I am not the first one to ask this, but I'll ask it anyway: so how do the current users of your product solve this problem? I have 9500 movies on my servers (next to a couple of hundred of DVDs in my closet), I can't be expected to type this movies in manually, right? Do you all have some workaround for this? (The dude from Collectorz can scan hdd's, and Eric's movie database also can, as can media master, so it shouldn't be that difficult.)
This problem is keeping me from purchasing your product right now, so I really do hope that somebody will reply that there is a workaround for it, because then I will buy your product.
Thanks in advance for any replies,
Bye, |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,272 |
| Posted: | | | | Before someone beats me to it....
It's called DVD Profiler not Movie Profiler... but yet it does do Blu-rays & HD-DVDs as well... But that being said I don't think there is a way to do what you are asking, even if there was all the profiles are disc based, all the relevant information comes directly from a DVD, HD-DVD or blu-ray. I'm not going to speak for Ken or Invelos, but I've never seen anything that would lead me to believe that Invelos is working on something like this.
I also think Invelos is wary in going down a road that could possibly involve copyright infringement. I'm also not sure how any program would be able to ascertain the title from a digital file, through the Meta data I suppose? | | | HDTV: 52" Toshiba Regza 52XV545U AVR: Onkyo TR-707 Speakers: Paradigm Monitor 7 v6, CC-190 & Atom Monitors Subwoofer: Definitive Technology ProSub 800 BD/DVD: Oppo BDP-93 (Region Free) HD PVR: Motorola DXC3400 500GB w/ 1TB Expander BD/DVD/Game: 250GB PS3 Slim DVD/Game: 250GB XBox 360 Elite Special Edition (Black) Game: Wii Remote: Logitech Harmony One w/ PS3 Adapter WHS: Acer H341 Windows Home Server | | | Last edited: by DoubleDownAgain |
| Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,460 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting NoahM: Quote: (The dude from Collectorz can scan hdd's, and Eric's movie database also can, as can media master, so it shouldn't be that difficult.) The scanning part is not difficult. Doing something intelligent with the result, is. I have unreleased tools that do scanning and create DVD Profiler databases, but in the past I have tuned then to each user's requirements (file naming scheme, folder structure, etc.). Also, one of the reasons you want DVD Profiler is for its precision and accuracy. Example, if I find a file on your server called "Star Wars", to which DVD release should it be associated (UPC/EAN), and in which locality? It is very difficult to build a general tool that can map to DVD Profiler accurately. That is why it hasn't been done yet. And unless you violate license agreements, you usually have to pay for access to a database of DVD metadata used for the correlation. So, if you want to discuss a custom project, send me a PM. Only you can decide on a set of specific assumptions and compromises that the scanner can make in order to create the database. For example, if you don't care about the specific DVD Release, as long as there is a title match, this is the simplest (but most error prone) way to generate a database of profiles. Just take the first UPC with a title that sort of matches. The more accuracy you want, the harder it gets, and the longer it takes for the scanners to run. The starting point if the discussion would be to give me an idea of what your file and folder schemes are, and we can discuss from there. The last project I did, resulted in a new set of features for LoadDVD called "Series specifications". Using these features you can associate an unlimited number of movie-related files to a DVD Profile - e.g., a set of episode files, trailers and versions of the main movie. This works best if you have an existing database of profiles. Then, my scanners use the metadata from the profiles to build the correlation by scanning your folders. Starting from a blank database is the hardest thing, as I mentioned, because you need access to somebody's metadata. Finally, as an example of a non-specific association, see the LoadDVD Pro Netflix support. In this case, I take some parameters from DVD Profiler (such as title, release date) and use the Netflix API to identify the first match on a movie.. There is no correlation to a specific DVD release (UPC/EAN) because Netflix doesn't use those. This is just for convenience of playing the trailer and the Instant Movie from Netflix, by clicking on an icon. I have done this kind of project for other people - one person had 100,000's of files. PM me if you want to explore further. | | | Thanks for your support. Free Plugins available here. Advanced plugins available here. Hey, new product!!! BDPFrog. | | | Last edited: by mediadogg |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | This topic comes up periodically. I will say that I believe it is inky going to be applicable to only those with relatively small collections. For someone like myself it would take me roughly 125tb of drive space to create such a library, goodies and all, that foes not include a backup file, op system or any other software. That is simply economically not feasible. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | As noted the program is called DVDPROFILER not MovieProfilrr HarddriveProfiler or whatever. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: January 4, 2013 | Posts: 4 |
| Posted: | | | | Thank you all for your replies (and also to the user who posted to me via PM; for some strange reason I am not allowed to reply in that PM due to me being 'a not yet registered user').
I hear the two remarks about 'the program is called DVD profiler'. Thank you, but I noticed and understood that already. I just explained my situation, which is by no means rare or seldom, especially in this age (DVDs will be gone in a couple of years, at least most of them will). So as we move along down the ladder of electronic evolution, everybody will keep movies on his hard disks. Even more because ripping your DVD and putting it on your NAS for central storage for streaming will be the new norm mainstream (as it already is for people like me).
So, as I indeed was very impressed that it very quickly recognized the european bar codes I threw at it completely correctly , it is lacking in this important area. To me that means this program has not evolved with time; it is 2013, not 2001, people do things differently these days.
@MediaDog: thank you very, very, much for your extended reply; really appreciated. I simply need a list of my movies so I can see what I have, and what I don't have, with a box cover *.jpg, HD or SD mark, and the year released (to see whether it is an old movie or not). So nothing special. But with your offer I might have to pay you a lot of money for a custom built solution, and as much as I do appreciate your offer, I don't want to invest much money in this topic.
I can not PM you, btw, to discuss further, because 'the powers that be' here won't allow me. Might I remark that this all is not very customer friendly, 'powers that be'? It appears you want my money, but with this approach you merely are pushing me away.
Thank you all who made productive remarks,
Bye, |
| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Posts: 1,982 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting NoahM: Quote: DVDs will be gone in a couple of years, at least most of them will. Please don't make me fricking laugh It isn't because some people prefer to download cheap looking stuff like you that a format will disapear... FYI people always purchase vinyl disc, VHS tape and music tape... even stranger those happen to be new releases, so think before writing insipid bland word. I know it isn't constructive but I couldn't care less... stick with collectorz if it does what you want as DVDC will not change to please you. |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 2,337 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote: For someone like myself it would take me roughly 125tb of drive space to create such a library, goodies and all, that foes not include a backup file, op system or any other software. That is simply economically not feasible. I've asked this before, but since no answer I give it a go again. Could you please open the math behind this number? |
| Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,460 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting NoahM: Quote: @MediaDog: thank you very, very, much for your extended reply; really appreciated. I simply need a list of my movies so I can see what I have, and what I don't have, with a box cover *.jpg, HD or SD mark, and the year released (to see whether it is an old movie or not). So nothing special. But with your offer I might have to pay you a lot of money for a custom built solution, and as much as I do appreciate your offer, I don't want to invest much money in this topic. No problem. And you (nor I) have no idea what it would cost. I have spent hundreds of hours for free, just to have a partner to help test stuff that I already wanted to do, or to help out a user in special circumstances. I have also been the grateful recipient of funds from a couple of folks who could afford it - and they got massive attention. Some people have even spontaneously given me DVDs and electronics. So I take all that into account when helping people on stuff. Anyway, the primary reason for bringing up that topic is to assess the priorities of the requestor, and I got the impression that it was not that important to you, so obviously I would not "jump on it" myself. Good luck to you anyway. If you check back every now and then, you might find something done - if I am so fortunate to stay healthy enough. And if you do want to send me email, I have a web site. You can send me email to my user handle at that website.com. | | | Thanks for your support. Free Plugins available here. Advanced plugins available here. Hey, new product!!! BDPFrog. | | | Last edited: by mediadogg |
| Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,460 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Kulju: Quote: Quoting Winston Smith:
Quote: For someone like myself it would take me roughly 125tb of drive space to create such a library, goodies and all, that foes not include a backup file, op system or any other software. That is simply economically not feasible. I've asked this before, but since no answer I give it a go again. Could you please open the math behind this number? We have been on this merry-go-round before. Over a year ago I think, maybe in the Home Theater Forum. We went over all the numbers, and by now hard drive prices are even lower. Example: 3TB drives can be had today for US$ 150. Average ripped DVD is 6GB, average ripped BD is 30-40GB. So, a 3TB drive could hold at least 500 DVDs or 100 or so BDs. A 6000 BD collection then would take about 60 drives (180 TB), or a 6000 DVD collection would take about 12 drives (36TB), not including backups (so, times 2 for the convenience of not having to re-rip). Whether this is economically feasible depends on your perspective. | | | Thanks for your support. Free Plugins available here. Advanced plugins available here. Hey, new product!!! BDPFrog. | | | Last edited: by mediadogg |
| Registered: January 4, 2013 | Posts: 4 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Jimmy S: Quote: Quoting NoahM:
Quote: DVDs will be gone in a couple of years, at least most of them will. Please don't make me fricking laugh
It isn't because some people prefer to download cheap looking stuff like you that a format will disapear... FYI people always purchase vinyl disc, VHS tape and music tape... even stranger those happen to be new releases, so think before writing insipid bland word.
I know it isn't constructive but I couldn't care less... stick with collectorz if it does what you want as DVDC will not change to please you. You have a way with words, I got to hand that to you. I'll leave it at this: the stores are flooded with vinyl, VHS and music tapes for you to buy, right? Good day, happy 1970 to you. |
| Registered: January 4, 2013 | Posts: 4 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting mediadogg: Quote: Quoting NoahM:
Quote: @MediaDog: thank you very, very, much for your extended reply; really appreciated. I simply need a list of my movies so I can see what I have, and what I don't have, with a box cover *.jpg, HD or SD mark, and the year released (to see whether it is an old movie or not). So nothing special. But with your offer I might have to pay you a lot of money for a custom built solution, and as much as I do appreciate your offer, I don't want to invest much money in this topic. No problem. And you (nor I) have no idea what it would cost. I have spent hundreds of hours for free, just to have a partner to help test stuff that I already wanted to do, or to help out a user in special circumstances. I have also been the grateful recipient of funds from a couple of folks who could afford it - and they got massive attention. Some people have even spontaneously given me DVDs and electronics. So I take all that into account when helping people on stuff. Anyway, the primary reason for bringing up that topic is to assess the priorities of the requestor, and I got the impression that it was not that important to you, so obviously I would not "jump on it" myself.
Good luck to you anyway. If you check back every now and then, you might find something done - if I am so fortunate to stay healthy enough.
And if you do want to send me email, I have a web site. You can send me email to my user handle at that website.com. Thank you sir, and I wish you good health |
| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Posts: 1,982 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting NoahM: Quote: You have a way with words, I got to hand that to you. Always been my force dear. I just can't stand clueless people who don't even have a software and think we care about what they have to say when they have no clue of what they talk about. Quoting NoahM: Quote: the stores are flooded with vinyl, VHS and music tapes for you to buy, right? Yes, but I guess it is different on Pirate Island... Quoting NoahM: Quote: Good day, happy 1970 to you. You are quite the idiot dear... |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,819 |
| Posted: | | | | Thankfully I can see the benefits to both sides here: the spacing-saving aspects of a completely digital library and the better quality of the physical media.
Personally, I will always come down on the side of physical media. I have a lot of MP3 (and other digital formats) but NONE of it sounds as good as a genuine CD.
Nowadays, Digital copies are supplied with DVD/BD sets and none of them are up to the quality of BDs either.
At least with a physical copy you always have it to hand (unless lost or broken); but with a digital copy so many things can go wrong with electronics and it can be lost so easily.
I have over 6,000 DVDs/BDs, just under 2,000 CDs, and over 2,000 books - but I also have Digital copies of some films, an excellent MP3 (and other media) player and a Kindle Fire. Just because some of us prefer the superiority of physical media it doesn't mean we're living in the past! |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,774 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Pantheon: Quote:
Nowadays, Digital copies are supplied with DVD/BD sets and none of them are up to the quality of BDs either. I know what you mean. Last time I saw a "HD Movie" from iTunes i got the shivers... Picture was filtered to death (hello wax figures...) to allow an as much a possible low bitrate so the file is not too big. 4GB is nothing compared to the 20-40GB on a physical disc. I see some of the upsides of downloading, but the day it is the only option to get movies... well, I'll find other ways to spend my money. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting NoahM: Quote: I can not PM you, btw, to discuss further, because 'the powers that be' here won't allow me. Might I remark that this all is not very customer friendly, 'powers that be'? Actually, it is extremely customer friendly as it prevents non-customers from being able to harrass actual customers. Quote: It appears you want my money, but with this approach you merely are pushing me away. Of course they want your money. Anybody that sells a product wants your money. As a prospective customer, which you are, you get certain things...access to this forum is one of them. Once they get your money, you get all the benefits of being an actual customer...which includes access to PMs. I am sorry that this approach is pushing you away, but as an actual customer, I prefer it. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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