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They could always type the UPC, Doc.

Won't help if they want to add it to their wish list, for example.

Why not?

How many would you say of the total DVDP user base knows how to find a UPC for a particular product?  I don't.

How many would you say would think to search for "X III" instead of "X-men" when trying to find this blu-ray title if they didn't know about this side-effect of the rules?  I'm willing to bet that nobody would.

How many retailers list this title as "X III: The Last Stand"?

Irrelevant, Doc. This is DVDProfiler.

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Which is why I lock the title on a number of profiles locally.

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How many retailers list this title as "X III: The Last Stand"?

Irrelevant, Doc. This is DVDProfiler.

It's not Irrelevant, it's to emphasize my point.  If DVDP is the only tracking system to catalog this movie as "X III: The Last Stand" and no retailers list it as such - what does that say?  In my opinion, it says that DVDP is wrong.

Walk up to anyone on the street and ask them "Have you seen X three, the last stand?" and I'm willing to bet that maybe one out of twenty will know what you're talking about.

When you think of this movie in your head, do you think "X-Men 3" or "X III"?

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So, you don't think we should follow the rules, if we don't agree with the rule.

That's the best way to help the DB isn't it?

No, I think we should follow the rules if we can follow the rules.

In this case everybody's subjective interpretation decides if it's XIII, X III, X3, X 3 or X³, because the front cover only shows a X with three blades of Wolverine's Claw in front of it and therefore I think we better just "translate" the X to X-Men and the three blades to 3, and that would really be the best way "to help the database".

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So, you don't think we should follow the rules, if we don't agree with the rule.

That's the best way to help the DB isn't it?

No, I think we should follow the rules if we can follow the rules.

In this case everybody's subjective interpretation decides if it's XIII, X III, X3, X 3 or X³, because the front cover only shows a X with three blades of Wolverine's Claw in front of it and therefore I think we better just "translate" the X to X-Men and the three blades to 3, and that would really be the best way "to help the database".

Sorry, Martin, but an X is... well, an X. And the nearest interpretation of three blades is the Latin number "III", so it must be "X III", as it has been approved, if I understand correctly.
Do I like that? Not much. Like I said, I wouldn't have been eager to submit such a change. But if you submit it, that's the way to do it per the Rules (unless Ken changes them).

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I'm sorry to say that, but your and pplchamp's contributions were utterly useless. And you both knew that, but did it anyway. Reminds me of skipnet50, who once added quote chars to some titles because they were "on screen" or included possessives in the title that didn't belong there. His argument then was the same as yours is now - but if I'm not mistaken, you argued vehemently against him. Compared to what you and pplchamp are doing, his contributions were far less destructive.

Please let me explain the difference between what Skip did and what i was trying to do.

Skip added quotes and possessives because he thought they were actually part of the title and belonged there.  He was wrong.

What I did was for one reason only.  To rasie this issue for discussion so that Ken and Gerri could see what this badly worded Rule could do to the database and hopefully present them with some ideas as to how it could be remedied.  I believe I have accomplished both of those goals.

Was there a cost?  Yes. 

I did not start this thread until AFTER my contribution had been rejected, so I knew that I had not "harmed" the database.  Frankly, I was very surprised to see Erik's contribution get approved.  Even so, it is just one title.  There are many others (examples already noted) already in the database.

The only way to fix the ones that are already done and prevent this in the future is to get a Rules change.

You may disagree with the process, that's your right.  But the intention is to fix the problem so that titles can in fact be searched for and found once a solution is implemented.  That was not going to happen by just ignoring the problem!

Discussions on foreign names just resulted in a ruling from Gerri (again, you may not like the ruling, but it got action).  I'm hoping this thread might generate a response from Invelos as well.

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It's not about this one title!

This rule impacts other titles. I Star Wars The Phantom Menace for example.

That aside, if a rule is obviously allowing for poor data to be entered into the program and for whatever reason that rule cannot be changed or appended, then where's the harm in making the odd exception?

Granted, I'd much rather see a robust rule-set (which is why I'm in favour of altering the rule slightly) than allowing exceptions, but I'd also much rather have exceptions than poor data that is less user-friendly.

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there is a game in it:
who can ... or I dare you to ...

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I'm sorry to say that, but your and pplchamp's contributions were utterly useless. And you both knew that, but did it anyway. Reminds me of skipnet50, who once added quote chars to some titles because they were "on screen" or included possessives in the title that didn't belong there. His argument then was the same as yours is now - but if I'm not mistaken, you argued vehemently against him. Compared to what you and pplchamp are doing, his contributions were far less destructive.

Please let me explain the difference between what Skip did and what i was trying to do.

Skip added quotes and possessives because he thought they were actually part of the title and belonged there.  He was wrong.

What I did was for one reason only.  To rasie this issue for discussion so that Ken and Gerri could see what this badly worded Rule could do to the database and hopefully present them with some ideas as to how it could be remedied.  I believe I have accomplished both of those goals.

Was there a cost?  Yes. 

I did not start this thread until AFTER my contribution had been rejected, so I knew that I had not "harmed" the database.  Frankly, I was very surprised to see Erik's contribution get approved.  Even so, it is just one title.  There are many others (examples already noted) already in the database.

The only way to fix the ones that are already done and prevent this in the future is to get a Rules change.

You may disagree with the process, that's your right.  But the intention is to fix the problem so that titles can in fact be searched for and found once a solution is implemented.  That was not going to happen by just ignoring the problem!

Discussions on foreign names just resulted in a ruling from Gerri (again, you may not like the ruling, but it got action).  I'm hoping this thread might generate a response from Invelos as well.

So what Skip did is try to contribute what he truly believed to be the correct title and what you did was contribute a title, while maybe correct by the strictest interpretation of the rules, you believed was wrong just to start a discussion on it. Wouldn't a simple thread have worked. Discussion of foreign names got a response, but I don't recall that discussion being started by someone deliberately  entering wrong (or nonsensical) names in the database.

Hasn't anyone ever heard of a "Grandfather Clause" all these ridiculous title changes could just not be submitted as they were correct under the old rule. Nothing says you have to go back and make nonsensical titles because the rule was changed. Ok, if it gets updated for something else than yeah, it should meet the new rules. But when the person making the change and pretty much everyone else (did anyone leave the title as Star Wars: I: The Phantom Menace or X III: The Last Stand in their local database) agrees that it should be left as is why change it? why not Grandfather it in. What good of a starting point is it if everyone goes and changes it after they download it?

Is there a contest for who can put the most ridiculous data in the database that still follows the rules? Maybe I'll enter, what's the prize?

-Agrare