There are always going to be users in this forum who drive other users away. It's a simple fact. I personally have left many times ( ) but always come back out of some misplaced sense of community spirit.

There are some users who have left I was extremely glad to see the back of...they were vicious and nasty people IMO.

However...there have many, many more people who have left whose absence is sorely felt. Not just in the work they did for the online db; but also simply for their presence in the forum.

With a collection of over 5,000 dvds I see a LOT of contributions being submitted. There are a lot of people doing little bits here and there....but I can count on ONE HAND the number of people who do everything they possibly can before sumitting a profile. People who check everything in an attempt to give everyone what they want out of a profile.
But, more and more I see people only sumitting changes to media company, studios, rating details. But more disturbing is that these people don't bother to check the other information in the profile. So a move of media company will still leave the rating details incomplete (as an example).

I would never expect anyone to do full audits on profiles the way I and a handful of other users do...but, surely it doesn't take long to check that fields, other than cast and crew, are complete?

I personally have seen a drastic drop in full contributions over the last few years and I predict this will continue unless something is done about it.

I recently bought an 80's film 'An Innocent Man' which was released in 2002. There were no crew present at all and a whole bunch of other stuff was missing. I find it hard to believe than in SEVEN YEARS no other user had the time to put the missing information in.
It's this kind of thing that gets my goat....sometimes if feels like I'm working in a vacuum and no one else is doing anything.
So when I see a contribution come through that rectifies all missing data in a profile I don't feel so alone.

So what I'm saying is that we need more 3's and all 1's need to become 2's.  Invelos should be making this program so good and so easy to use/contribute to that there are NEVER any 1's. IMO.

It's all very well complaining that the online db is useless....but unless the users work to change that they have absolutely no right to complain!!

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Invelos should be making this program so good and so easy to use/contribute to that there are NEVER any 1's. IMO.

It's all very well complaining that the online db is useless....but unless the users work to change that they have absolutely no right to complain!!

Totally agree with the first sentence. For more than two years, I have been saying that rules are too much complicated, need a total redesign, with very few strict rules and guides for the rest, and translations for non english users.

For the second sentence, I do not complain that the online is useless, I just regret it. For my part I contributed all the profiles I own that were not in the database (which represents more than 45% of my collection), and had to make the job twice to get, at the end, correct data in my local...

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With a collection of over 5,000 dvds I see a LOT of contributions being submitted. There are a lot of people doing little bits here and there....but I can count on ONE HAND the number of people who do everything they possibly can before sumitting a profile. People who check everything in an attempt to give everyone what they want out of a profile.
But, more and more I see people only sumitting changes to media company, studios, rating details. But more disturbing is that these people don't bother to check the other information in the profile. So a move of media company will still leave the rating details incomplete (as an example).

I would never expect anyone to do full audits on profiles the way I and a handful of other users do...but, surely it doesn't take long to check that fields, other than cast and crew, are complete?

I personally have seen a drastic drop in full contributions over the last few years and I predict this will continue unless something is done about it.

I recently bought an 80's film 'An Innocent Man' which was released in 2002. There were no crew present at all and a whole bunch of other stuff was missing. I find it hard to believe than in SEVEN YEARS no other user had the time to put the missing information in.
It's this kind of thing that gets my goat....sometimes if feels like I'm working in a vacuum and no one else is doing anything.
So when I see a contribution come through that rectifies all missing data in a profile I don't feel so alone.

So what I'm saying is that we need more 3's and all 1's need to become 2's.  Invelos should be making this program so good and so easy to use/contribute to that there are NEVER any 1's. IMO.

It's all very well complaining that the online db is useless....but unless the users work to change that they have absolutely no right to complain!!

I mainly prefer to contribute cast, crew and occasionally studios. I see that disturbs you if I leave something else blank. After reading that, I'm more discouraged to contribute than I am encouraged.

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I recently bought an 80's film 'An Innocent Man' which was released in 2002. There were no crew present at all and a whole bunch of other stuff was missing. I find it hard to believe than in SEVEN YEARS no other user had the time to put the missing information in.

Check UPC 786936209143.  I recently did the full cast and crew for "An Innocent Man".

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I recently bought an 80's film 'An Innocent Man' which was released in 2002. There were no crew present at all and a whole bunch of other stuff was missing. I find it hard to believe than in SEVEN YEARS no other user had the time to put the missing information in.

Check UPC 786936209143.  I recently did the full cast and crew for "An Innocent Man".

Apologies for not checking other profiles.  I was specifically referring the disc I bought the the specific EAN.

As for the rest of my statement....here's a little extra info....

I personally have absolutely no interest in Sound Crew, Country of Origin, Media Company or Rating Detail...but, if I'm completing other aspects of a profile I complete those too - for the benefit of the users that DO want that information.

I fully understand why many people do not complete the cast and crew section (even though I wish more people did): it's very time consuming and often confusing.
But I do not understand why the other fields - which invariably involve no research - can't be completed.

That's the point I was making.

Surely if you're completing the media company box then you have the case in front of you - so why not complete the rating details box too??

I'm sorry if this viewpoint makes people less inclined to contribute as that was not my intention with my post. I merely wanted to point out that a lot of people complain but very few seem to do anything to rectify the problems that are raised.

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It's all very well complaining that the online db is useless....but unless the users work to change that they have absolutely no right to complain!!

That's easily said. But if your idea of "ideal data" clashes with the rules and you wish to respect the rules you simply can't contribute - unless you enter the data according to the rules, contribute them, throw them away and then start all over again.

Am I correct in assuming you're really referring to cast/crew here?

If so...see my previous post.

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I recently bought an 80's film 'An Innocent Man' which was released in 2002. There were no crew present at all and a whole bunch of other stuff was missing. I find it hard to believe than in SEVEN YEARS no other user had the time to put the missing information in.

Check UPC 786936209143.  I recently did the full cast and crew for "An Innocent Man".

Apologies for not checking other profiles.  I was specifically referring the disc I bought the the specific EAN.

As for the rest of my statement....here's a little extra info....

I personally have absolutely no interest in Sound Crew, Country of Origin, Media Company or Rating Detail...but, if I'm completing other aspects of a profile I complete those too - for the benefit of the users that DO want that information.

I fully understand why many people do not complete the cast and crew section (even though I wish more people did): it's very time consuming and often confusing.
But I do not understand why the other fields - which invariably involve no research - can't be completed.

That's the point I was making.

Surely if you're completing the media company box then you have the case in front of you - so why not complete the rating details box too??

I'm sorry if this viewpoint makes people less inclined to contribute as that was not my intention with my post. I merely wanted to point out that a lot of people complain but very few seem to do anything to rectify the problems that are raised.

As I have said other times something like this comes up. I personally am more then happy with any info people decide to contribute. I would never ask "If you are doing this field... why not this other field?" As far as I see it people have all the right in the world to submit as many... or as few fields as they please. All you feel like doing at this time is CoO? Great! Thank You!  Ohhhh! You did a full audit on this title? Great work! Thanks! 

I don't think anyone should be what feels like looked down upon because they don't do as much as some people want to expect from them. I know you made me feel that way before.. and I would never want to make anyone else feel that way.

I really appreciate how hard you work on the profiles you do... but I am sorry... I mean no disrespect but in my opinion your outlook on this subject is not only unfair... but can be right hurtful to some  people. Like what they do decide to do just isn't good enough... so why should they bother at all. I know that is how it felt when this came up between the two of us.

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I recently bought an 80's film 'An Innocent Man' which was released in 2002. There were no crew present at all and a whole bunch of other stuff was missing. I find it hard to believe than in SEVEN YEARS no other user had the time to put the missing information in.

Check UPC 786936209143.  I recently did the full cast and crew for "An Innocent Man".

Apologies for not checking other profiles.  I was specifically referring the disc I bought the the specific EAN.

As for the rest of my statement....here's a little extra info....

I personally have absolutely no interest in Sound Crew, Country of Origin, Media Company or Rating Detail...but, if I'm completing other aspects of a profile I complete those too - for the benefit of the users that DO want that information.

I fully understand why many people do not complete the cast and crew section (even though I wish more people did): it's very time consuming and often confusing.
But I do not understand why the other fields - which invariably involve no research - can't be completed.

That's the point I was making.

Surely if you're completing the media company box then you have the case in front of you - so why not complete the rating details box too??

I'm sorry if this viewpoint makes people less inclined to contribute as that was not my intention with my post. I merely wanted to point out that a lot of people complain but very few seem to do anything to rectify the problems that are raised.

As I have said other times something like this comes up. I personally am more then happy with any info people decide to contribute. I would never ask "If you are doing this field... why not this other field?" As far as I see it people have all the right in the world to submit as many... or as few fields as they please. All you feel like doing at this time is CoO? Great! Thank You!  Ohhhh! You did a full audit on this title? Great work! Thanks! 

I don't think anyone should be what feels like looked down upon because they don't do as much as some people want to expect from them. I know you made me feel that way before.. and I would never want to make anyone else feel that way.

I really appreciate how hard you work on the profiles you do... but I am sorry... I mean no disrespect but in my opinion your outlook on this subject is not only unfair... but can be right hurtful to some  people. Like what they do decide to do just isn't good enough... so why should they bother at all. I know that is how it felt when this came up between the two of us.

Indeed, anyone who contributes any field that's vacant is helping the cause.  Although I try to do full title audits it does take a long time and not everyone can do that.  The Perfect is the enemy of the Good, as they say.