Quoting northbloke:

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@ RHo
Not having a language that uses accents or diatricals or whatever they're called, I'm afraid I'm not up on the subtleties or differences between these characters.
Coming from an english background I was only ever taught that adding an accent changed the way you pronounced that letter.
Yes, I am talking about an umlaut. Does that differ from the French "é" in any way, because that's what's not on display in the French name? It may be that simply "accent" was the wrong word to use in this circumstance, in which case my apologies.

While I'm not a linguist I have been told that é is an accented character and therefore é can also be written as e when accents are not available. But ü in German is something else. ü has to be written as ue if the ü is not available. Actually ü has been written in old fonts as an u with a small e above it and not with two dots.

Quoting Gerri Cole:

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Accents and other characters are sometimes left off in credits, regardless of case, correct?

So my question is, how do you determine when the omission is due to letter case or some other reason?

you can't, as I agree with northbloke, you always find an exeption to the rules aka
Noel Burton (Noel <> Noël)
DVD Profiler "Credited As" Name Database

Quoting Gerri Cole:

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Accents and other characters are sometimes left off in credits, regardless of case, correct?

So my question is, how do you determine when the omission is due to letter case or some other reason?

I agree with North, you really can't.  I have seen credits where an actor has his name spelled one way in the opening credits, and another way in the closing credits.  My guess is, the person who enters the credits, just enters them the way he thinks they should be entered.  So if he sees an 'é', he enters an 'E'.

Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet:

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Please don't tell me this "rule" will be withdrawn.

Let's hope it stays.

Quoting Gerri Cole:

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Accents and other characters are sometimes left off in credits, regardless of case, correct?

So my question is, how do you determine when the omission is due to letter case or some other reason?

My point precisely Geri and the Rules are clear exactly means WYSIWYT what you see is what you type. Adding diacriticals is something of personal preference, if the the filkm does not use them. It is simply addin data which does NOT exist on film. I have seen credits for example that say FRANÇOIS. I don't cry about it or say that according to American culture, I copy what is on the screen.

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Quoting skipnet50:

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The BEST way to deal with this is just as we have always done, and the international adjustments are made through Credited As system.

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On this point, I have to disagree with you.  The 'Name' field is for the 'most commonly credited form of the name'.  The 'credited as' field is for the 'WYSIWYT' name.

Using the old example, if it is decided that 'FRANCOIS' = 'Francois', it can NOT be entered as 'Francois (credited as François)'.  If we do, it changes the purpose of the field.

I understand that, Unicus. It is perhaps not the best answer, not sure what the best answer might be, but it will work. This is data-based not cultural based as I have said hundreds of times, I don't care what culture says, I care what the DATA SAYS. It is, however, recognizing that culture is an issue and trying to create a method within which it can be dealt with without departing from WYSIWYT as the foundation.

Perhaps what might be needed is yet another Name field choice to allow for the cultural problem, but that is outside what we have right now.

@ North, so you don't abuse the Rules for the CLT, but you are willing to abuse the Name Rule for cultural purpose. Excuse me if I find that to be just a tad hypocritical.

I am, as I usually do attempting to find a compromise that does not violate the foundation as it was designed, while still achieving the objective, and as usual teh other side doesn't see that and is not interested in compromise, they want it their way and ONLY their way. Good, north.<shakes head sadly>

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