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Then I will go with 'Woo-Ping Yuen'. But we are going to need to change them all eventually.

While Woo-Ping Yuen is currently common in the CLT it would be prudent before changing them to determine if Woo-Ping Yuen is really the most common.  Are there some titles listed as Woo-Ping Yuen that should be Yuen Woo Ping and how would that change the numbers.

If you can determine another variant should be common that could be used instead.

You could use this thread to present the basic numbers and others will certainly chime in to help verify them.  Here's an example thread.

The point is the Lookup Table numbers are not gospel, they are simply a starting point.  You cannot assume they are correct (because all to often they are not).

I agree, tweeter. My guess is the database has been corrupted by users not following the Rules and simply following cultural norms.

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That may be, but it will require an effort like the Tim DeZarn thread or the Miguel Nunez thread (which is a BRILLIANT example of how to approach this) to know for sure.  One can't assume that's the case, because some films may be crediting the same cast member differently based on the cultural norms for where they're being released.  We just don't know until we go back and check and confirm.

Okay. I haven't got round to changing anything yet anyway, as it's too much work right now.

What's the most common form of 'Yuen Woo Ping' in your local databases?


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What's the most common form of 'Yuen Woo Ping' in your local databases?

It doesn't matter what the most common form is, it matters what the right form is.  It isn't a given that anyone's 'most common form' is the right one.

If, for example, one film has the same person credited three different ways in our database we [you] need to figure out which form is correct for the film.

You are obviously interested in this guy so presumably you have some of his films.  Figure out what the right name is for each of your films.  Then see how many titles are incorrectly listed under alternate names.  I usually have a spreadsheet helping me at this point. Present a list of the films and your data here and people can help you.

Maybe more work than you wanted to do but the best way to get it right.

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I agree, tweeter. My guess is the database has been corrupted by users not following the Rules and simply following cultural norms.

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You obviously dont know much about the Hong Kong and Asian film and the credits, otherwise you would have understand that there are always different spellings for a name, or when its only in chinese what would you do then ? Not add them because you dont know the actors ? But thats not the point.
The Point is what would you add when you dont know what the correct name is, and you have a few different spelled names in your DB, because they are always credited different.

I would take the correct name (First Name and then Family Name) and crosslink them.

But I bet you dont want to understand this.

Then tell me a better way to document it, or my whole work is useless for that.

that has nothing to do with the great Master Yuen Woo Ping

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But to another point just to play Devil's Asvocate here. I see all these references to ASian names, I have yet to see very much documentation backing  up individual claims. For example, it seems possible, pergaps not likely, but possible that the actor was conversant with Anglo naming Rules and allowed for it, therefore possibly the credit is correct as it reads. Notice i said this, simplyn because I don't like ASSUMPTIONS, I want documentation, and any given users comments on the subject are not valkid unless they are the person, so to be safe let's provide documentation on these issues beforee someone finds one that takes a bite out of our tuckus.

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Here's couple.  I would say that if his father is named YUEN Siu Tien and his brother is named YUEN Cheung Yan, that his family name or surname is YUEN.  What if someone asked you to prove that Brad is the first name and Pitt is the family name?  What if someone asked you to do the same for every name in the credit?

Yuen Woo-ping
Wiki on Yuen Woo-ping
Filmography on Yuen Woo-ping

Maybe with the Obama administration, you could get Congress to require Hollywood to pay heed to your concerns and force them into political correctness.

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