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There are various styles used in English typographical text. One says there should be a space before and after the ellipsis to seperate it from the text while another says there shouldn't be spaces. It's obvious the the writer of the overview text chose the style that doesn't use spaces. I don't really think you should mix styles here.
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I understand that way of thinking... that is why I am conflicted here. I am just not sure but conforming to the other one to me feels a bit like going away from copying the overview exactly like the rules say.

I understand what you mean.  But since the sentence should break in that same way whether or not the space is in the original copy, the only clue you have is the second instance.

If it bothers you, leave the space.  Hopefully no one will give you a hard time.
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Like I said... I understand that line of thinking... even agree with it. I just having a problem getting over the rules saying exactly... I am a very rules oriented person... and in this case I feel like I am breaking a rule by doing it this way. As I always do my best to follow the rules... even if I don't agree with them. And unfortunately I don't see anything in the rules to make me think exactly don't mean EXACTLY outside of the couple exceptions it lists.

and for the record... all the overviews I have done. I don't remember ever seeing a space before the ellipsis. Just after or not at all. 
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I understand that way of thinking... that is why I am conflicted here. I am just not sure but conforming to the other one to me feels a bit like going away from copying the overview exactly like the rules say.

I understand what you mean.  But since the sentence should break in that same way whether or not the space is in the original copy, the only clue you have is the second instance.

If it bothers you, leave the space.  Hopefully no one will give you a hard time.


I have 1 person voting no... that is why I came here. one the parent profile (as shown in the first post) vote is 1 yes...1 no... on the child profile (same exact situation) 5 yes...1 no. (same person of course).
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Good grief, drop it, Surfeur. Why not let us all write our own Overviews thast's the next step. Correct everything YOU THINK is a typo and keppit...LOCAL.


Then, please give me your definition of "Copy the overview from the back of the DVD case exactly as written", I'm interested... 
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I put in my corrections for the typos... even though I am not completely convinced I removed the space after the ellipsis as well. We will have to see what the votes will say.
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When the ellipsis falls at the end of a line, there is no way to determine whether there is a space after it or not, so the concept "exactly" does not really apply -- unless you break every sentence where the cover text breaks. I agree with those who say "look to the other ellipsis" to see how the editor intended to use an ellipsis.  Since there isn't a space after the second occurrance, there shouldn't be one after the first, either.  I doubt that the typesetter put a space after the first ellipsis, though there isn't any way to determine if one was there.
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Strictly speaking, no space is required after an elipsis. Some prefer adding it. I would put no space after the first to conform to the style evidenced by the second instance. But I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.


Agree. I would leave the space out in a new contribution, to conform with the other instance, but I wouldn't change the text if the space is already in the profile, because there is not really a way to exactly determine what that line break means.
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One question as a non-native speaker: Do both "..." even have the same meaning?

For as I read it the first usage of "..." looks like they are leaving something out of the quote because it's to long.

And the second one looks like a dramatic pause where you could also have used a colon or a dash.

PS: I just googled it and found it here. They left out "weekly".

PPS: So if they don't have the same function is it possible that they are to be handled differently in english grammar (still speaking as a foreigner!)?
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One question as a non-native speaker: Do both "..." even have the same meaning?

For as I read it the first usage of "..." looks like they are leaving something out of the quote because it's to long.

And the second one looks like a dramatic pause where you could also have used a colon or a dash.

PS: I just googled it and found it here. They left out "weekly".

PPS: So if they don't have the same function is it possible that they are to be handled differently in english grammar (still speaking as a foreigner!)?

A very good question.  Just as you said, the first usage is to indicate that one or more words was omitted from the quote, and the second represents a pause for effect.  Typographically, they are handled the same way.  (AFAIK.  If someone knows better, please teach on.)

P.S. One thing that I should have mentioned earlier in the discussion is that there should always be a space after an elipsis when it is at the end of a sentence, but not the end of a paragraph.  (This came up reviewing a profile a couple of days ago.)

EDIT:  Another wrinkle is that DVDProfiler does not recognize after an elipsis as a place to break a line.  So if the space is omitted after and the line happens to run out just there, the two words connected by elipsis would wrap down.  So much for a simple answer.   
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EDIT:  Another wrinkle is that DVDProfiler does not recognize after an elipsis as a place to break a line.  So if the space is omitted after and the line happens to run out just there, the two words connected by elipsis would wrap down.  So much for a simple answer.   

That's because DVDProfiler's text editor/displayer isn't sophisiticated enough to include what MS Word calls a "no width optional space" (a non-printing character that causes a line break if it comes near the end of a line but not if it's in the middle — which can be used after a dash in a construct like alfa/bravo so part after the dash wraps to the next line.)
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P.S. One thing that I should have mentioned earlier in the discussion is that there should always be a space after an elipsis when it is at the end of a sentence, but not the end of a paragraph.  (This came up reviewing a profile a couple of days ago.)


You have me confused here . What I've learned is that an ellipsis at the end of a sentence is immediately followed by a period making the ellipsis four dots instead of three. I've never heard of adding a space after an ellipsis at the end of a sentence.
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P.S. One thing that I should have mentioned earlier in the discussion is that there should always be a space after an elipsis when it is at the end of a sentence, but not the end of a paragraph.  (This came up reviewing a profile a couple of days ago.)


You have me confused here . What I've learned is that an ellipsis at the end of a sentence is immediately followed by a period making the ellipsis four dots instead of three. I've never heard of adding a space after an ellipsis at the end of a sentence.

I understood that the fourth period was incorrect, but a quick Google seems to indicate that the Chicago Manual calls for four dots, so I will yield. 

The ellipsis at the end of a sentence can be used to make your thought trail off, fade into the distance, diminish....Jumping right into the next sentence defeats the purpose.

(Oops!  and I've been spelling ellipsis wrong.  )
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Well,

as the ellipsis is at the end of a line, it is impossible to tell if there is a space or not.
I would vote YES on both, as both can be correct.

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