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Is Blu-Ray a dying format?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantBlair
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Through the typical cycle of life one might say that Blu-ray would outlast DVD, but that's focusing on one narrow issue and whether or not we are speaking of just one taking up 51% of the market or saying the format goes down to 0% market share. For example, digital music mediums (MP3s) are a huge portion of the audio market now which came after CDs which themselves came after cassettes. However, vinyl records are still produced and hold a fair share of the market even though they aren't talked about like they used to be. It's all about continuing to produce what is wanted instead of forcing the consumer to be shoved into the next format.

Blu-ray did not "explode out of the gate" as I think was originally expected, and it is still not at all the top format. Almost all films released today that are released on Blu-ray are also released on DVD... while other films are released only on DVD. So, unless the industry simply shuts DVDs down in one way or another (not only stopping production of DVDs but making DVDs unreadable on by Blu-ray players), I believe the DVD will outlast Blu-ray.

As for streaming video, I see it in the same way as my audio example above: streaming will continue to grow in popularity as the technology takes over and gets better and better, but there are many people who prefer to have the physical item in hand for purchase. If I am going to "buy" a film, I want the physical copy, not a digital one. If I am only going to "rent" it, then streaming is fine. (And if it's free, then you shouldn't be picky.)
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If I am going to "buy" a film, I want the physical copy, not a digital one. If I am only going to "rent" it, then streaming is fine. (And if it's free, then you shouldn't be picky.)


Exactly. I'm not going to buy a downloaded film for $20 or something. Renting films online would be my limit. Why buy it when you can just simply rent it again with a click? And studios are still going to need to make money somewhere.
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I have been burned by digital downloads, where I bought films, downloaded them, stored them on a hard drive... and when the computer died (under warranty) and was replaced, the new computer cannot play the films. I have contacted the distributors and the studios, and their standard reply is that I did not buy copies of the films, I bought licenses to view the films (revocable by them at any time) on one computer only, and none can be transferred. If I want to view the films again, I must repurchase them at full price.

I am not interested is purchasing a revocable license to view a film on a computer which will die (and they all die eventually). I wish to own the film until I die and then someone else can inherit it from me. I still can play 50 year old LPs on turntables which are still being made. I can reread books, sell them, and nothing changes them.

When I buy a copy of a film, I want to own it, not a revocable licence.
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When I buy a copy of a film, I want to own it, not a revocable licence.


DRM is always a problem.
I surely wouldn't download DRM-infested material. Mainly because of the problem you described.
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DRM is one issue, but there is another factor in the equation.

DVD and BD are worldwide formats. Streaming is essentially a US phenomenon.

For digital books, we can now see a spread from the US to a few selected big markets (UK, Germany), but they don't sell across borders.

On the  other hand, paper books and DVD/BDs travel across borders easily, and region control is easily circumvented. So there is a life for hard copies, although we can expect diminishing supply, that we can already see in the area of US television series.
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I'm with Cliff on this one, I want physical in the form of BRD/DVD. I want to peruse my shelves until something catches my eye. I also like the highest quality that is available and electronic isn't quite there yet. Unless you buy or rent it and rip it uncompressed. To do it right you need a very large array and offsite backup. Not to mention the enormous amount of time it takes to rip them. If you had the resources to pull it off, the benefit would be wonderful once it was done. At that point you only have to add the new stuff when it came out. My 2 pennies.

I'm not a huge fan of streaming because of quality and the fact that you kinda have to know what you want to watch.
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DVD and BD are worldwide formats. Streaming is essentially a US phenomenon.

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DVD and BD are worldwide formats. Streaming is essentially a US phenomenon.

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Just try and buy digital media from the iStore or Amazon...
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DVD and BD are worldwide formats. Streaming is essentially a US phenomenon.

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Just try and buy digital media from the iStore or Amazon...

If those services are targeted for US, that doesn't mean that there aren't many others. For example I use four different VOD services for renting a movie. Maybe you could say that in Netherlands you don't have good VOD services?
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Every format has a shelflife. Blu-ray will someday be replaced just as any other format has been in the past. I sincerely doubt that online streaming will replace physical media though. That, in my opinion, is a pipe-dream.

I believe that streaming will eventually obsolete any physical format. eBook sales have finally eclipsed print sales on Amazon. Boils down to cost recovery for the producers.

I don't think another physical media will replace Blu-Ray. With each new format, there was a noticeable improvement in audio and visual quality. You may recall seeing displays at stores that show the DVD quality on the left side and the Blu-Ray quality on the right in order to drive home the improvements given by the Blu-Ray format. A new format with higher quality than Blu-Ray really won't be evident to the masses comparing side-by-side and therefor not likely to be adopted by the masses.


I don’t think it’ll happen Doc. Digital Streaming over the internet isn’t an option for “the masses”. Until they get fiber optic, that everyone can afford, into every home in the US, replacing physical media with High Definition streaming over the internet will always be a pipe-dream. The bandwidth alone needed to stream HD over the internet into every home in the US would be staggering. And I mean real HD Dr., not this crap that they’re pumping out now and have the stones to call HD. I mean real 1080p and HD 5.1 audio as a minimum. I currently subscribe to Netflix streaming but am very disappointed in the video quality of even their SD programs. The video noticeably stutters due to low frame rates and at times the movies or TV episode pauses to buffer. I guess I can’t complain too much at $7.95 a month. The programs offered by Netflix for streaming is also very limited. It seems that all the good stuff is only available on disc. I don’t see how you can compare digital book sales to Films. Granted, eBooks are more convenient for the consumer because they take up less space in the home and you don’t have to cart your books around in a backpack. Print doesn’t suffer from digitizing and it’s cheaper for the producers. Films on the other hand do suffer from digitizing and if your viewing pleasure is limited to streaming then you will always be a slave to the distributor of your media. At least with physical media I don’t have to worry that my internet connection will go down or that, in the case of my internet provider AT&T, my bandwidth will be restricted to so many GB per month, which limits how much streaming video I can watch before AT&T charges me extra for exceeding my limit . There’s also the cost factor. Not everyone can afford an internet connection with bandwidth high enough to support high definition streaming. My folks are retired and live on a fixed income. They can only afford the most basic internet connection which they use to keep in touch with family members through email and on Facebook.

So, IMO, physical media is here to stay, in one form or another. You never know. With the advances in nano and organic chemistry, the future may bring us HD films on a chip the size of a postage stamp .
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Next physical format: probably holographic storage.
As for any improvement over BD being visible and therefor desirable to the consumer, never underestimate possiblities for progress, think of real 3D for example. So far, all predictions that we have reached the end of possible progress or are ready so to say, have been proven wrong.
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If those services are targeted for US, that doesn't mean that there aren't many others. For example I use four different VOD services for renting a movie. Maybe you could say that in Netherlands you don't have good VOD services?

Non-existent really. The market just isn't big enough. And even if it were, you get fragmentation if parties decide to keep content to themselves. And maybe not everybody likes the idea, but the US is a huge source of media content.

As for market size, I don't know about Finland, but can you buy digital books in Finnish, for example?
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I currently subscribe to Netflix streaming but am very disappointed in the video quality of even their SD programs. The video noticeably stutters due to low frame rates and at times the movies or TV episode pauses to buffer.

How are you viewing Netflix? I've been reasonably satisfied of their HD video quality over my TiVo but I can't bear to watch anything streamed to my PC which utilizes Microsoft's Silverlight (which is known for having issues with HD).
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As for market size, I don't know about Finland, but can you buy digital books in Finnish, for example?

Of course
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I currently subscribe to Netflix streaming but am very disappointed in the video quality of even their SD programs. The video noticeably stutters due to low frame rates and at times the movies or TV episode pauses to buffer.

How are you viewing Netflix? I've been reasonably satisfied of their HD video quality over my TiVo but I can't bear to watch anything streamed to my PC which utilizes Microsoft's Silverlight (which is known for having issues with HD).


Netflix is streamed through my PS3 with wired connection. You say that you are "reasonably satisfied"? I for one will not be content with just "reasonably satisfied" when it comes to HD. I've grown too accustomed to the outstanding quality of picture and sound delivered by the majority of the Blu-ray titles I've viewed on my Panasonic Plasma and Onkyo 7.1 HD receiver to be just "reasonbly satisfied" with the mediocre quality of material I've viewed with Internet Streaming.
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I'm not a huge fan of streaming because of quality and the fact that you kinda have to know what you want to watch.


Several things here.

1) I've been generally impressed with the quality of Netflix.  I have a great internet connection from Comcast and play Netflix on my PS3.  I've even experimented with playing Netflix on my iPhone and sending it to my TV over HDMI and it looks just as good (in my VERY limited testing) as the PS3.

2) My standards are lower for Netflix.  If I'm interested in "quality", I'll pick it up on disc.  I don't use Netflix for my favorite movies or TV shows.  Those get bought.  Netflix is for things I care less about or things I'd like to try before I buy.

3) Everyone I know complains that Netflix streaming doesn't have what they want.  What I always tell people is if you're going there to find a particular movie or TV show, expect to be disappointed.  The only satisfying way I've found to stream is to go in with no preconceived notions and just find something.  They may have a very minor amount of content compared to their disc offerings.  But it's still a HUGE amount of stuff.  And I can generally find something I'm interested in.  Maybe not that big blockbuster from last summer.  But I've found tons of things I was interested in at some point and it just fell off my radar.  And usually for good reason! It's been especially handy for TV stuff.  Especially foreign stuff that's hard to get here or too spendy or stuff I'm not ready to invest in until I know I'll enjoy it first.
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