Quoting bob9000:

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Quoting Pantheon:

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Everyone else be damned, quite frankly.

awww he's gonna take his ball and go home.

What is even more childish is that Pantheon is giving out negative feedback for perfectly cordial votes that happen to disagree with him. I would call that abusive. It is also, I would like to point out, the first negative feedback I have received from anyone for anything.

And vice-versa I would like to point out.

The negative vote was given because you are voting no to correct data which is a violation of the voting rules.
I also find it ironic that you initially voted yes to the contributions and then changed your vote to follow others.

Lastly, my 'everyone else be damned' statement was simply an expression of defeat. If you and Skip don't want the correct data; and seemingly can't be bothered to do the work yourselves then I can't be bothered to continue contributing the data.

This wouldn't bother me so much if I was contributing a complete load of rubbish mined from IMDB or some other unacceptable source - then you and Skip would have good reason to vote NO. It's the fact that you are voting to keep good data out of the online database because YOU interpret the rules differently; rather than looking at the big picture of at least gaining the majority of the data.

I disagree with your interpretation of the rules. You disagree with mine. That's already established.
The difference is that, from my perspective, my disagreement with you results in 3 or 4 missing names in the cast list - whereas your viewpoint results in 60+ correct entries from getting into the profile.

Explain the logic of that to me!

I agree with bob9000 and Skip.. I haven't done any voting in the last day...day and a half. so if you resubmitted again I haven't seen it yet. But I do agree and read the rules the same as them. I also got a negative vote for voting according to how I read the rules. (also my first ever negative vote received) Which I agree is an abuse of the system. Ken even has it in the FAQs...

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Disagreeing with a user's opinion is not reason to rate their posts negatively.

and before saying we are voting no to getting correct info into the database... that is not what we are doing as we are voting FOR how we read the rules to mean. In our opinion the info is not correct if it is missing listings from the credits.

You said yourself we disagree on how the rules read... by our interpretation your contribution is wrong as it is missing credited actors... for that we have every right to vote no and bring it to the screeners attention... from there it is up to them if they want to let it slip through or not.

I've withdrawn them.
Sick of the debate.

For those of you that would like to compare the existing to what I submitted....here you are:

Existing profile=
CAST
Elizabeth Montogomery as Samantha
Dick York as Darrin
Agnes Moorehead as Endora

What I Submitted=
1. Nobody's Perfect
Elizabeth Montgomery as Samantha
Dick York as Darrin
Agnes Moorehead as Endora
David White as Larry Tate
David Lewis as Mark Robbins
Lindsay Workman as Dr. Koblin
Robert Q. Lewis as Diego Fenman

2. The Moment of Truth
Elizabeth Montgomery as Samantha
Dick York as Darrin
Kasey Rogers as Louise Tate
David White as Larry Tate
Marion Lorne as Aunt Clara

3. Witches & Warlocks Are My Favorite Th
Elizabeth Montgomery as Samantha
Dick York as Darrin
Agnes Moorehead as Endora
David White as Larry Tate
Marion Lorne as Aunt Clara
Maurice Evans as Maurice
Estelle Winwood as Enchantra
Reta Shaw as Hagatha

4. Accidental Twins
Elizabeth Montgomery as Samantha
Dick York as Darrin
Kasey Rogers as Louise Tate
David White as Larry Tate
Marion Lorne as Aunt Clara

5. A Most Unusual Wood Nymph
Elizabeth Montgomery as Samantha
Dick York as Darrin
Agnes Moorehead as Endora
Henry Corden as Muldoon
Jean Blake as Maid
Kathleen Nolan as Gerry O'Toole
Michael Ansara as Rufus the Red

6. Endora Moves in For a Spell
Elizabeth Montgomery as Samantha
Dick York as Darrin
Agnes Moorehead as Endora
George Tobias as Abner
Sandra Gould as Gladys
Erin Murphy as Tabatha
Paul Smith as Floyd
Sid Clute as Noel
Arthur Adams as Desk Sergeant
Paul Lynde as Uncle Arthur

7. Twitch or Treat
Elizabeth Montgomery as Samantha
Dick York as Darrin
Agnes Moorehead as Endora
George Tobias as Abner
Sandra Gould as Gladys
Jeff De Benning as Councilman Green
Willie Mays as Himself
Barry Atwater as Boris
Jim Begg as Morgan
Joan Huntington as Eva
Paul Lynde as Uncle Arthur

8. Dangerous Diaper Dan
Elizabeth Montgomery as Samantha
Dick York as Darrin
Agnes Moorehead as Endora
David White as Larry Tate
Don Keefer as Kimberly
Alex Gerry as Mr. Wright
Jim Begg as Paterson
Billy Beck as Bartender
Erin Murphy as Tabatha
Marty Ingels as Dan

9. The Short Happy Circuit of Aunt Clara
Elizabeth Montgomery as Samantha
Dick York as Darrin
George Tobias as Abner
Sandra Gould as Gladys
David White as Larry Tate
Kasey Rogers as Louise Tate
Arte Julian as MacElroy
Leo DeLyon as Jenkins
Erin Murphy as Tabatha
Reginald Owen as Ocky
Marion Lorne as Aunt Clara

This is what the NO voters decided to keep out of the database because they disagree with how I read the rules.
Instead they would rather keep the 3 name cast list.

For what it's worth I have watched episodes 2, 4 and 9 again. Agnes Moorehead DOES NOT appear in them. The end credits as listed are correct.

This sincerely makes me wonder why I bother doing contributions at all.

Quoting Addicted2DVD:

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And is simple to explain... the way I interpret the rule your submission is not correct. If the cast list is missing cast then the cast list is not correct. I take the field to be one thing.. if something is missing from it... it is wrong and I have to vote against it with reason... which is what I do.

Yes, but what you and the others don't seem to understand is that there are differing opinions; and until a decision is made there is an element of doubt.

As it stands you would rather keep a 3 name cast list instead of accept a cast list which is complete (or practically complete in your opinion).

So, here's a question if someone added the following to the cast list:
David White as Larry Tate
David Lewis as Mark Robbins
Lindsay Workman as Dr. Koblin
Robert Q. Lewis as Diego Fenman

Would you vote NO?
The information is correct. It's taken from the episode credits.
Am I right in thinking that because this is not the FULL cast list from every episode on the disc that you would vote NO because it is incomplete?

If so, you are forcing contributors to do full audits on cast lists which is NOT part of the contribution rules. The above (and my contribution) adds correct, relevant, missing data to the profile; but you would rather keep it out of the database because you disagree with rule interpretation.

THAT'S what I don't understand.

From my point of view, leaving the different approaches to interpret the rules and that topic's relevance for casting a vote completely aside, an incomplete submission to a data field is incorrect and warrants a no vote because it forces someone else to redo all the work again later on anyway if it gets through.

Since the data is incomplete, you can't trust the existing data to be correct, as there might be other errors. so, to make a good submission, someone will have to recheck everything in that specific field even if the only change is the addition of one or two new actors, be it only to determine the proper position for their inclusion.

An incomplete submission to a field does not, IMO that is, qualify as a partial submission. It's an erronous submission, nothing more. A partial submisson is one that does not address every field of a profile, for whatever reason.

If the contributor made an honest mistake he/she should correct the submission accordingly when pointed towards it. If the contributor doesn't do that, whoever deems the submission incomplete and incorrect as such is entitled to vote accordingly. Using the reputation system for reprimanding users for expressing their opinioon is wrong in itself.

If the contributor doesn't agree with the way other users read the rules and can't bring himself to alter his submission in a way HE deems wrong, just let the contrib stand and see what happens. The contributor made a point, others raised doubts, votes were cast and the screeners decide what to do with it.

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If the contributor doesn't agree with the way other users read the rules and can't bring himself to alter his submission in a way HE deems wrong, just let the contrib stand and see what happens. The contributor made a point, others raised doubts, votes were cast and the screeners decide what to do with it.

That's pretty much how I see it, both sides have made their point.  Just let the contribution stand and let the screeners decide.

Quoting Pantheon:

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I realise that I am potentially splitting hairs here, but...I am trying to get valid and correct information into the database - which other members can use as a baseline to add to.

Whenever, you are basically splitting hairs you can be pretty much gauranteed some members are not going to agree with you and your going to have the possiblity of No Votes.  But, a No vote does not mean the profile will not be accepted.  Just let the contribution ride out so the screeners can have their chance.

What I was going to suggest and it looks like what you have already done with your cast list.  Is put the cast that appears in opening credits at the beginning of all your episode dividers.  This is assuming they are the same cast for every episode.  Since the actual appearing cast is credited in the end credits of every episode, also making that assumption.  Then they would go in under the divider for the episode they are credited in.  Which also, assuming this is what you have done.

Then in your contribution notes which I don't know if you had already tried before.  Is something like this. 

For this series,  the major characters;
Elizabeth Montogomery as Samantha
Dick York as Darrin
Agnes Moorehead as Endora

Are credited in the opening credits of every episode regardless if they actually appear in the episode or not.  So I have placed them above the episode divers.

The end credits, credit the actors who actually appear in the episode.  For that reason I have placed those credited actors under the episodes they are credited in the end credits.

Not so say, you won't still get No votes but, this is more of a compromise giving those who want the credits from the beginning credits and those who want the end credits.

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If so, you are forcing contributors to do full audits on cast lists which is NOT part of the contribution rules.

I respectfully disagree.

The Rules say to enter the cast list exactly as they appear in the credits.

Entering a partial list does not meet the requirements of that Rule.

double post, sorry