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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributornorthbloke
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I agree with Unicus, by applying a restriction to non-standard descriptions only implies there is no such restriction on standard descriptions, otherwise Ken would have simply said "all editions" from the cover.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributortweeter
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The implication of finding non-standard descriptions on the cover is...that's where you take the standard description from.

Sorry, but that simply isn't true.  When you put a conditional on one and not the other, the implication is that the conditional applies only to the one.

Well, we will have disagree on the implications.

I probably shouldn't have said anything at all because this field is worth less than almost any other to me.  Locally, i erase most Edition info.
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So in this particular case (Stripes), as the DVD clearly states "Special Edition" then that is what it is?  Despite the lack of "Special Edition" text on the cover? And therefore the submissions deleting this edition were incorrect?
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So in this particular case (Stripes), as the DVD clearly states "Special Edition" then that is what it is?  Despite the lack of "Special Edition" text on the cover? And therefore the submissions deleting this edition were incorrect?

I think that's the general idea. It seems that until specified otherwise in the rules, standard descriptions do not have to come from the cover.
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So in this particular case (Stripes), as the DVD clearly states "Special Edition" then that is what it is?  Despite the lack of "Special Edition" text on the cover? And therefore the submissions deleting this edition were incorrect?


As it currently stands, yes.
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I'll vote No, on such a Contribution based on the Rules and a certain level of familioarity which i possess.

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While I did not have anything to do with the writing of the rules, it seems pretty clear to me that the wording requiring NON-STANDARD edition information be taken from the box was to prevent a contributor from inventing an edition where none was needed or present. The fact that the rule doesn't specify that the built in edition descriptions must come from the box is more than likely a case of assuming that is where everyone was looking for the edition anyway.

In the case at hand, given the fact that some media companies seem to cut costs by re-packaging the same disc from a special edition 2 disc set into a no-frills single disc version, it is possible that this disc might be the special edition version of the film, if one actually exists, but it is also possible that the only thing special about the 2-disc set was the extras included on the 2nd disc. Luckily, I don't have it and don't have to vote one way or the other.

Clearly, the rule needs a couple of words added to either allow or (preferably) prohibit taking the edition information from anywhere but the packaging, since when you buy a disc, you can't see what edition it is if the source of the edition can be hidden inside a shrink wrapped case.
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No "Other" option in the poll?

I'd say it depends on whether there is a "normal" edition available (with different content on disc) aswell to distinquish between the two.
After all, this is DVD profiler, not Coverprofiler so the content of the disc should be the main concern.
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The rules don't actually say what is considered a legitimate source in most cases. Only for NON-STANDARD descriptions is it said to use the box.
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To me that says that for STANDARD descriptions, taking it from the disc is fine.

Yes, forget the rest.
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributorhal9g
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what they have done is re-release it in a new cover but not bothered to change the disc
iv seen alot of these... specially in 2-pack's


If this is true, and 'Special Edition' is on the original cover, then removing it is definitely a no-no.

If the above is not true, and the wording on the disc itself were "Extra Special Edition", then we would not be able to enter it.

But because it says "Special Edition", we can enter it.

Am I the only one who sees a major inconsistency in this interpretation?

Locally, if it's not on the front cover, it doesn't get entered.  And even then, I drop the "Widescreens", the "Two-Disc" and a few other worthless descriptions.
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not trying to add fuel to the fire but what about sets like the American Pie 3 pack that contains all three movies but they are contained in a single digipack. The child profiles would (technically) need to be done by disc id. The discs included match the discs in the individual release (the profiles for the individual upc versions come up when inserting the disc into the drive) and I'm pretty sure that the disc itself has some sort of special edition or unrated edition printed on it. So would that not be a valid edition for the disc id profiles since there is no individual box for these. (This could also apply to many of those 2 packs)

-Agrare

p.s. I agree with hal in that I've started locally dropping all widescreen (I leave the full screen on the few titles I have that are full screen for easy identification) and am considering removing stuff like 2-disc as well.
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Is this DVD Profiler or Cover Profiler...? 

Ok, sorry, I couldn't resist.

But, on a more serious note, what about the part of the rules that says "It's usually safe to use one of the built-in selections if appropriate."

What constitutes "appropriate"? Wouldn't the fact that the DVD itself is labeled Special Edition be enough to make it appropriate?
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Not at all, Gunnar. It is a simple matter to insert any disc inside any given COVER. In point of fact, I own BOTH R1 versions of Stripes and I have no idea where this Special Edition Disc came from, it certainly isn't in my copy of the FIRST release of the film which was purchased on the Original Day of Release.

This is why the Rules spell out ONE PLACE to locate the information, NOT from any place that you happen to find.

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In point of fact, I own BOTH R1 versions of Stripes and I have no idea where this Special Edition Disc came from, it certainly isn't in my copy of the FIRST release of the film which was purchased on the Original Day of Release.

I hate to break it to you Skip but there a whole FIVE other regions that DVDs can come from. I know this clashes with your insular view that all films are made in Hollywood, but it's a fact you're going to have to get used to.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorGSyren
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This is why the Rules spell out ONE PLACE to locate the information, NOT from any place that you happen to find.

If what you say is true, then the part that says "It's usually safe..." is just meaningless nonsense? 
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Gunnar & North:

I have a very serious question for both of you. Why do I want to answer any question either of you ask? You are not interested in any answers, whether it be about Video format or this. You both have one interest and that is being combative, insulting, argumentative and baiting. The answers for this and the Video format have ben provided and explained by me so many times it isn't even funny. Answers are not what you want, what you both want is what you want. Your motives I can only guess at. Which is not something I like to do at any rate. You both want to take little pieces of the Rules and then try and make pretzels out of them. Right now, we have sections which have become very troubling because they are far to loosey-goosey like the new crew roles. The ONLY answer has become to be able to list the crew exactly as we do the cast, even with the nightmare end result. I am constantly finding new variants for various Roles within the new sections we have been given..

When either of you  ummm gentlemen, wish to behave in a less combative please let me know.

Let me brak it to you gently north in your own argumentative fashion. The OP showed pictures of the Original released case of Region 1 Stripes, not Region 2, 3 or 4, REGION 1. But that is not the Originally released Region 1 Disc at least not Region 1 US, I suppose it might be Region 1 Canada but that is highly unlikely. That does not change that the Rules for Exdition say to take the data from the Cover, that is the PRIME Rule for that section. Your spinning and parsing are just that spinning and parsing to cause one thing, chaos and trouble...yet again. Something which the both of you excel at.

I try to be nice, but that is not allowed by some of us here in the forums, I could provide a list but i won't. I am sorry Gunnar and north i find the both of you to be generraly pretty offensive. And Ireally do get very tired of repeating myself constantly. I have askenumerous times for you to lopok to yourselves, remeber that there are my shoes and there are your shoes, I don't wear yours and vice versa, yet you somehow believe that you have the mystical ability based on a few typed to determine far more about the man who wears my shoes that I do yours. Every conversation has TWO sides and I find both of you to rather ill-behaved. Neither of you were involved at any phase of the Rules development process, but you pretend that you have a level of knowledge and expertise that neither of you possess, I can tell you what was involved and what the reasons were and you will tell me twith your lack of knowledge that i am wrong and I am sorry but that simply doesn't wash. I have absolutely no idea what Ken has or had in mind with the new Crew data, I wasn't involved and won't pretend to have any insight which i don't possess, I might be able to guess, but it would be no more than a guess. But that does not apply for 95% of the Rules, whether you like it or not, and as usual north your comment was your typical insulting comment.

I am very weary of high-fallutin' attitudes displayed by some around here that is all Skip's fault, from where I sit the picture looks VERY different. That is one of the problems displayed by many here.

DING!!!!!!!!

Skip
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Billy Video
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