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I think Jason Mewes (1974) may be an Invalid BY.

His BY is currently accepted in the database, and is being contributed to an existing profile...so I'm unsure how to vote right now.

From what I can tell via the CLT results, there is no other actor or crew member with that name in any database profile.

It doesn't look like the BY is listed or documented in the forum's List of Accepted Birth Years with Documentation either.

I've also searched, but cannot locate anyone else with that name, at least not in the entertainment industry:

http://www.imdb.com/find?q=Jason+Mewes&s=nm

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp=les%3B&gs_rn=2&gs_ri=hp&cp=8&gs_id=3p&xhr=t&q=Jason+Mewes

Here is the problem we have with this tioic on Invalid BY's.

Like you several of us have found some possibilities, but what validation mechanism is there and how do we know when the invlaid BY is approved (so to speak)

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Quoting Scooter1836:

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Here is the problem we have with this tioic on Invalid BY's.

Like you several of us have found some possibilities, but what validation mechanism is there and how do we know when the invlaid BY is approved (so to speak)

That's easy. Most of these get approved through standard contributions, falling through the cracks and simply overlooked in the approval process. A lot of bad data gets approved into the database this way.

I can't locate a single profile in the database via the CLT that isn't one in which the apparently one and only Jason Mewes appears in.

I also went through CLT and found only the one Jason Mewes. Don't know how you would document someone who doesn't exist.

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That is fine, and I don't doubt the BY is not needed.  I am just pointing out we should have a process in which invalid BY's are approved/accepted so this thread can referenced as a source of record in removing them.  To a point where people are absolutely confident that this thread has the correct information.

That would often be very hard to do, especially if it's an actor or crew member who appears in hundreds or thousands of profiles in the database.

A person could open all of the Titles within the program, and see where the invalid BY appears in a profile, and then check that profile's contribution notes...but who's really going to do that?

The point of this thread is not to pin down exactly where it was entered in the database or why, but to document why the BY in INVALID. GreyHulk's opening post of this thread pretty much says it all.

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That is fine, and I don't doubt the BY is not needed.  I am just pointing out we should have a process in which invalid BY's are approved/accepted so this thread can referenced as a source of record in removing them.  To a point where people are absolutely confident that this thread has the correct information.

That would often be very hard to do, especially if it's an actor or crew member who appears in hundreds or thousands of profiles in the database.

A person could open all of the Titles within the program, and see where the invalid BY appears in a profile, and then check that profile's contribution notes...but who's really going to do that?

The point of this thread is not to pin down exactly where it was entered in the database or why, but to document why the BY in INVALID. GreyHulk's opening post of this thread pretty much says it all.

I know the point of this thread, my point is just by posting here does not make it invalid, but we need a machanism to say yes it is invalid and you can use this to remove the BY from profiles.

I am speaking to the validation mechanism we need ot put in place to definitely state a BY is not needed by the community

OK since going through all the profiles for a certain name and finding them to be for the same person, doesn't seem to be good enough validation. What would you suggest?

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Please read through my posts, I am not questioning what people are doing to validate.  What I am questioning is the process in which the actual invalid BY's get approved as invalid BY's  and properly posted so that people can use that as a reference for updating profiles.

One thing we do know is the top post is not getting updated and this thread has many conversations going at once including one with proof that an invalid BY may be incorrect.

Right now there is no approval process for invalid BY's and all I am saying is there should be one.  And a disorganized thread does not help IMO, we should come up with a community process for validating unneeded BY's and then post the results here.

I've read all the posts from the beginning.
So how would you organize it. Checking CLT & other databases that track all crew is good enough for me. But if there is a different process that is better, I'm all for it.

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In my opinion at the very least we should treat this thread like the common name thread.  Where people open threads external to this when a BY appears to be invalid, ensure a consensus and then post in this thread the proven invalid By and a link to the thread showing the proof and consesus.  That way this thread will be easier for others to find information since it will only contain proven invalid BY data and not discussions whether a particular BY is valid or not.

Something like this:
http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=250804&PageNum=1&messageID=562122#M562122

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Some users have suggested to also keep a list of known invalid birth years, so here they are. For each of these names, there is only ONE person with that (common) name in the database, meaning their birth years aren't needed, nor allowed. Where available, I've included a link to additional information. This "invalid"-list is obviously far from complete - let me know when you've found another one, so I can include it here for easy reference. Please strip these invalid birth years from any profiles you see them in.

INVALID BIRTH YEARS

Kathy Bates (1948)  Documented as invalid here.
Jamie Bell (1986)  Documented as invalid here.
Marshall Bell (1945)
Xander Berkeley (1955)  Documented as invalid here.
Michael Byrne (1943)  Documented as invalid here.
Tommy Chong (1938)  Documented as invalid here.
Blake Clark (1946)  Documented as invalid here.
John Cleese (1939)
Robert De Niro (1943)
Tom Everett (1948)  Documented as invalid here.
Jason Flemyng (1966)
Roger Frost (1948)
Lance Henriksen (1940)
Robert Hoffman (1939)  Documented as invalid here.
Samuel L. Jackson (1948)
Lucy Liu (1968)
Nan Martin (1927)  Documented as invalid here.
Paul Massey (1958)
Philip Morris (1893)  Documented as invalid here.
Ryan Murphy (1965)  Documented as invalid here.
Ken Ralston (1954)  Documented as invalid here (discussion includes the subsequent posts on the same page by Kluge and Sidrat).
Scott Rudin (1958)
Michael Semanick (1963)
Joel Silver (1952)  Documented as invalid here.
Amber Smith (1972)  Documented as invalid here: the correct birth year is 1971.
Kurtwood Smith (1943)  Documented as invalid here.
Frank Welker (1945)
Fred Willard (1933 and 1938)  Documented as invalid here.
Ian Whyte (1971)

Keep in mind that this list only tracks invalid birth years that somehow managed to slip through and actually made it onto Invelos' own "approved" list, meaning that no checkbox appears when you'd try to contribute it. It does not include incorrect and/or unneeded birth years that aren't on Invelos' own "approved" list and for which a checkbox appears.

He does. There's the well-known Tim Curry and at least one other lesser-known actor by that name.

Maybe it goes undocumented at this time

Tim Curry (1946)

We have no known Birth Years for the other chap(s) though.

I've submitted Tim Curry to the BY thread. (There's bloody loads of them! )