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The test can be taken here.

My results:

13 Orange
10 Green
9 Gold
4 Blue

KM

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I try to enter everything except cast and crew on my first pass.

I appreciate your work since I prefer to mainly do cast and crew. 

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The goal of what you refer to as "comprehensive notes" (which I understand your shorthand to refer to things like: listing all crew roles in the notes ...

While I can't speak for Skip, I don't think his concept of comprehensive notes requires listing of ALL crew roles -- just those where the role isn't the exact wording of the dropdown

That could be. He does ask for "actual crew roles" in his voting comments on my contributions whenever I add 3.5 crew roles though.

Invelos does not require that actual crew roles have to be listed in the contribution notes. To whatever extent he wants that, it exceeds their requirements.

Once again, James, you have noted that you are not willing to gio beyond Invelos' requirements, EVEN IF such data is useful to the Community. BTW KDH, is correct.

James, I have also not voted no to your refusal to include Crew Roles have I, I vote yes with a comment. I really wish you would help raise all boats and stop trying to go for the lowest common denominator. But, that is your way and your choice.<shrugs>   Not an attack BTW, just a regrettable statement of fact, which you verify everytime you say that Invelos doesn't require this or that.

Skip

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What does Invelos want?  All three.  They are a business.  They want every subscriber they can find.

What does Invelos need?  They need #1 to pay the bills, #2 to keep things running and up-to-date, and #3 to lighten up and remember this is a hobby.

I have no problem with #1.  Most people just want to keep track of their DVDs and don't want to put in the effort themselves (or don't have the time to do so).

I find myself more in the 2nd category than the 3rd.  I want to make sure that every profile has as much data as possible, within the rules, but won't kill myself to completely audit them (I'd never be able to watch a DVD if I did).  I try to enter everything except cast and crew on my first pass.  I am willing to cut corners (such as cloning profiles from another region to find cast and crew for TV series that would be too time-consuming) as long as they fall within the rules.  If someone has contributed full cast and crew for a TV series that had none, I won't vote No because they also contributed a studio that has Inc. after it.  I might PM a correction, but I know that the data can fixed once it is the on-line database.

The problem that #3 people will never get is that if everyone is held to their standards, this program would grind to a halt.  Most of the users would stick to their local databases and only a handful of popular titles would get updated.  Even more confusing is that a lot of the #3 people don't even contribute on a regular basis, so they are asking people to conform to a standard that they are not willing to share with the rest of the users.

We need more users to contribute, not less.  By raising the bar so high, all that happens is that a lot of people hit their heads on that bar and wander back out the door in a daze, never to return.

Perfectly said.

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The problem that #3 people will never get is that if everyone is held to their standards, this program would grind to a halt.  Most of the users would stick to their local databases and only a handful of popular titles would get updated.  Even more confusing is that a lot of the #3 people don't even contribute on a regular basis, so they are asking people to conform to a standard that they are not willing to share with the rest of the users.

We need more users to contribute, not less.  By raising the bar so high, all that happens is that a lot of people hit their heads on that bar and wander back out the door in a daze, never to return.

That says it all for me...and you can count me as one of those who now primarily sticks to his own database.  I just don't have the time nor energy to waste on defending contributions in this forum.  If it's easy and I'm not going to have to put up with a bunch of crap, then I'll hit the contribute button.  Otherwise, I just keep it local and enjoy the hobby.  I find my blood pressure stays much more even and, after all, I'm not the one who's losing out.

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What does Invelos want?  All three.  They are a business.  They want every subscriber they can find.

What does Invelos need?  They need #1 to pay the bills, #2 to keep things running and up-to-date, and #3 to lighten up and remember this is a hobby.

I have no problem with #1.  Most people just want to keep track of their DVDs and don't want to put in the effort themselves (or don't have the time to do so).

I find myself more in the 2nd category than the 3rd.  I want to make sure that every profile has as much data as possible, within the rules, but won't kill myself to completely audit them (I'd never be able to watch a DVD if I did).  I try to enter everything except cast and crew on my first pass.  I am willing to cut corners (such as cloning profiles from another region to find cast and crew for TV series that would be too time-consuming) as long as they fall within the rules.  If someone has contributed full cast and crew for a TV series that had none, I won't vote No because they also contributed a studio that has Inc. after it.  I might PM a correction, but I know that the data can fixed once it is the on-line database.

The problem that #3 people will never get is that if everyone is held to their standards, this program would grind to a halt.  Most of the users would stick to their local databases and only a handful of popular titles would get updated.  Even more confusing is that a lot of the #3 people don't even contribute on a regular basis, so they are asking people to conform to a standard that they are not willing to share with the rest of the users.

We need more users to contribute, not less.  By raising the bar so high, all that happens is that a lot of people hit their heads on that bar and wander back out the door in a daze, never to return.

Well said.

I used to be a 2... but whenever I did an update for contribution I'd be 3. On other people's contributions, I'd think 3, act 2.

Lately, with time constraints, and partly under the influence of encounters with 3s, I've pretty much become a 1. I will use things like the Name Variants plug-in, but mostly to quickly get things linked together locally. I want to click on a name and get their work. I'll clone, etc. to get full cast lists into profiles. I have a number of profiles that are probably good enough to be contributed, but because I've not been pedantic in tracking the changes, or am waiting for them to reach critical mass, they remain local. I'll often check name variants against the CLT so that if/when I decide to update to the online, the information is contrib-ready.

Having a number of Asian movies (~20% of my collection), linking is tricky. I noticed recently that when I added Red Cliff and Red Cliff II (HK Blu-Rays) to my wishlist that key cast didn't link between the titles. I quickly made some changes locally, but didn't contribute (as it wouldn't be the honest thing to do). I also have profiles such as Reign: The Conqueror which I'll gradually chip away at when the mood takes me, and probably contribute when the work's finally done.

For the most part, Region 4 is very relaxed. The voters, as far as I've encountered, tend to be 2s. If there are mistakes, PMs are sent, or polite notes left. If a mistake slips through, it's corrected when the data goes live, and so is in the online within days. Luckily for me, I tend to contribute to rarer titles, and purchase within a (wholly) friendly region. On those rare occassions when I do an R1 contribution, it's with trepidation. It's not worth the effort updating a popular title to what seems such an angrateful group. I pity those in R1. That vocal minority exist to primarily your (data's) detriment.