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due to local situation (4 different countries) there are compromises made. It is not up to us, users from other localities to dictate how they should deal with that situation. As the rules allow the use of foreign titles and the source is the dvd cover... So insisting not to use these titles as those are not on the front cover is not very helpfull for the users of this locality. The cover clearly indicates what its use is: each country has it's own section on that cover: as indicated at the front of this cover.
  • Denmark
  • Sweden
  • Norway
  • Finland
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    Quoting whispering:
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    Under Suomi (Finland) it says Armoton Maa (the localized title).

    The back cover also says "Original Title: Open Range". So, the answers are already there.
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    due to local situation (4 different counties) there are compromises made. It is not up to us, users from other localities to dictate how they should deal with that situation. As the rules allow the use of foreign titles and the source is the dvd cover... So insisting not to use these titles as those are not on the front cover is not very helpfull for the users of this locality. The cover clearly indicates what its use is: each country has it's own section on that cover: as indicated at the front of this cover.
  • Denmark
  • Sweden
  • Norway
  • Finland


  • I couldn't agree more.
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    To take this matter even further, in our locality we could even have 3 titles in the title field:
  • Dutch
  • French
  • German
  • example:
    28 Days Later / 28 jours plus tard. (Ken is not providing a triple locality for Belgium (Dutch, French & German) (Contribution declined, local language dutch and french on the dvd cover)
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    I have no intention whatsoever to argue about localized titles. We (=the german users) do it all the time. I am just not a proponent of the usage of a "title" that is hidden in the cell of a back cover table. It opposes the very idea of what a title (in general, not just in DVDP terms)  should be.


    You have lost me completely.  How does the location of the title oppose the very idea of what a title should be?  All a title is, simply put, is the name of the piece of work. 
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    As the rules allow the use of foreign titles and the source is the dvd cover

    Where exactly does it say that, especially the second part?
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    just in the beginning:
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    The authoritative source for information submitted should be the DVD itself.  Please don't submit content from a third party database, and always verify the specifications printed on the cover.  In both cases, errors abound, so always verify the information directly from the DVD whenever possible.

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    If the title appears in multiple languages, use the title that matches the language of the locality and do not include an alternate title ( for instance in another language).

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    Foreign Films: The Original Title field will contain the original title for the main feature in the country of origin.  i.e. A German DVD release for a film originally produced in the United States would have the German title in the Title field and the English title in the Original Title Field.
    Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions.
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    I have no intention whatsoever to argue about localized titles. We (=the german users) do it all the time. I am just not a proponent of the usage of a "title" that is hidden in the cell of a back cover table. It opposes the very idea of what a title (in general, not just in DVDP terms)  should be.


    You have lost me completely.  How does the location of the title oppose the very idea of what a title should be?  All a title is, simply put, is the name of the piece of work. 

    For me a title is the thing written in great letters on the front side of a thing. It declares what it wants to be called. And for this purpose it's irrational to hide it.

    This is what I'd call a title:







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    just in the beginning:
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    The authoritative source for information submitted should be the DVD itself.  Please don't submit content from a third party database, and always verify the specifications printed on the cover.  In both cases, errors abound, so always verify the information directly from the DVD whenever possible.

    Quote:
    If the title appears in multiple languages, use the title that matches the language of the locality and do not include an alternate title ( for instance in another language).

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    Foreign Films: The Original Title field will contain the original title for the main feature in the country of origin.  i.e. A German DVD release for a film originally produced in the United States would have the German title in the Title field and the English title in the Original Title Field.


    And you conviently left out the clarification "between" those rules that declars "Use the title from the front cover" because it voids your argument.
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    and what would Armoton Maa be? According to you?
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    Quoting DJ Doena:
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    If the title appears in multiple languages, use the title that matches the language of the locality and do not include an alternate title ( for instance in another language).

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    Foreign Films: The Original Title field will contain the original title for the main feature in the country of origin.  i.e. A German DVD release for a film originally produced in the United States would have the German title in the Title field and the English title in the Original Title Field.


    And you conviently left out the clarification "between" those rules that declars "Use the title from the front cover" because it voids your argument.
    .

    And you for the sake of convenience you neglect the foreign films
    as you replace Germany by Finland all problems are solved!
    or what do you think the intent is of that rule? Just for Germany only?
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    and what would Armoton Maa be? According to you?

    The title used on a website where the cover scan clearly indicates otherwise. And - correct me if I am wrong - but wasn't it just you that explained that the DVD itself is the only source for every information? And now you refer to a website just because it suits you?
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    or what do you think the intent is of that rule? Just for Germany only?

    Of course I don't think it's for german only.

    But as I said earlier, this is a backdoor rule since it is introduced in the original title section and not the title section. Am I supposed to scan the entire rules - e.g. the overview section - because there could be another rule regarding the title?
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    there is no backdoor rule: it say's what it say's!
    and:
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    I don't know the cultural meaning of the word "text" in these languages but I would assume that it indicates that this DVD contains danish, swedish, norwegian and finnish subtitles.
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  • Schriftstück [das ~]
  • Dokument [das ~]
  • Geschriebene [das ~]

  • Would it not be more plausible that these icons refer to these:
    and the official required information for each locality?
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