That sounds like a plan Kathy, i like it.      


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So, with no exceptions I can think of, any film directed by Allen Smithee (Alan Smithee, or Adam Smithee) is essentially unwatchable.

Not exactly an exception, but American History X was *this* close to being an Alan Smithee/Humpty Dumpty film...

Kaye couldn't keep quiet, though.  But if you take that away, it's in that group.

Long story with many POVs, basically he cut the film down to 85 minutes or so, got every chance to fix it up again, instead chose to drag things out and do all kinds of cooky bits of business.

So...

http://www.edward-norton.org/articles/usdec98.html

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No, it would NOT be correct. alan Smithee on screen. Alan Smithee in our credits. A real name would be UNCREDITED and the Rules do not allow that.

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Hopefully, everyone can do as he wants. Just lock your files and don't contribute. There has been a long time since I don't follow anymore stupid rules that are made by principle fundamentalists. Alan Smithee doesn't exist and therefore is not in my database.

I'm not against rules, I am against people that are unable to consider exceptions that were not considered when the rule was made.

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Skip doesn't want "credited as Alan Smithee" because the common name thing hasn't been nailed down, so essentially he doesn't want "credited as" used at all for now.

Actually, Skip does not oppose the Alan Smithee use, he oposses the other uses of common njame.

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If I understand the arguments correctly, Rifter doesn't want "Credited as Alan Smithee" because Alan Smithee is a pseudonym and Rifter is of the opinion that "credited as" should be used only for variations of the actors / crewmembers normal name.

Skip doesn't want "credited as Alan Smithee" because the common name thing hasn't been nailed down, so essentially he doesn't want "credited as" used at all for now.

These are two entirely different objections. Personally I understand Skip's position, and I now vote neutral on anything using "credited as".

For the sake of this discussion, though, I have to say that I don't buy Rifter's arguments. It seems clear to me that if we are to use "credited as" (once the common name thing has been settled), psedonyms are definitely candidates för "credited as" entries.

I also come down with Skip because Ken isn't finished yet with that feature.  As for the pseudonym, aside from the fact that it's a false name, it is added after the fact when the movie is done.  I accept it on the basis of that is what you see on the screen during the credit run, but only for that reason.  Substituting another name - regardless of whether or not it might be the real name - goes totally against the idea of recording the names as they appear in the credits.

John, I ask once again, what do you want the data for? You seem to want an exact copy of the credits without any cross-linking. What good does it do you? If you could tell us why you need this 'pure' data it might help us understand your stand on this issue.

The joy of Ken adding "credited as" is that we can have both "pure" data and cross-linking. I can't understand why someone would think that it is a bad thing.

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I haven't read the entire thread but if I get the jest of it..... some are disagreeing with using the actual credits when a pseudonym is given? Maybe I'm not understanding it correctly but what difference does the name make as long as it is entered correctly?

I don't like the "credited as" thing either but after all the work is done for each credit for each actor and each actress, individually, for each film, it should work; at least on the entries that were "correctly" contributed and accepted (again, individually).

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If I understand the arguments correctly, Rifter doesn't want "Credited as Alan Smithee" because Alan Smithee is a pseudonym and Rifter is of the opinion that "credited as" should be used only for variations of the actors / crewmembers normal name.

Skip doesn't want "credited as Alan Smithee" because the common name thing hasn't been nailed down, so essentially he doesn't want "credited as" used at all for now.

These are two entirely different objections. Personally I understand Skip's position, and I now vote neutral on anything using "credited as".

For the sake of this discussion, though, I have to say that I don't buy Rifter's arguments. It seems clear to me that if we are to use "credited as" (once the common name thing has been settled), psedonyms are definitely candidates för "credited as" entries.

I also come down with Skip because Ken isn't finished yet with that feature.  As for the pseudonym, aside from the fact that it's a false name, it is added after the fact when the movie is done.  I accept it on the basis of that is what you see on the screen during the credit run, but only for that reason.  Substituting another name - regardless of whether or not it might be the real name - goes totally against the idea of recording the names as they appear in the credits.

John, I ask once again, what do you want the data for? You seem to want an exact copy of the credits without any cross-linking. What good does it do you? If you could tell us why you need this 'pure' data it might help us understand your stand on this issue.

The joy of Ken adding "credited as" is that we can have both "pure" data and cross-linking. I can't understand why someone would think that it is a bad thing.

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For starters, you're right, I want an exact copy of what's in the credits, no more, no less.  As for cross-linking, the way it works now - pre-common-name that is -  is plenty for me.  I don't care much about C-list actors, and only the top end of the B-list.  A-list, I can remember in my head which movies in my collection have what stars in them, and the current setup is plenty good to jog my memory if need be.

As I've said countless times, I don't give a damn what the rest of you do.  If you want all this fancy dan crosslink stuff, OK by me, but don't force ME to deal with it.  And don't implement something (anything) that forces me to make a decision as to whether or not to make a contribution.  Because, if I have to compromise my local setup to make a legal contribution, then I'm being deprived of my rights as a user.  Now, Ken said he would set it up so we could opt out of accepting this stuff and that contributions wouldn't be compromised either. 

As Skip said, when KEN finishes the changes and all is working as he promised, THEN I will go along with no problems.

I am simply stating, Unicus, that I think anyone who tries to make broad useage  of Common Name at this time, is out of their cotton-pickin' mind. Just my opinion, But whatever page I may be on relative to Common Name may not be the same page you or someone else is on...end result...conflict. WE need a standard and as I said three months ago, I don't care if it is user generated standards, though I don't think we could do it, or something ken has to create at his end, as long as their is a standard. And my doubts about US being able to come with a standard have been absolutely validated.

So I wait for Ken. I have waited THREE years and waiting some more is no skin off my nose, when we have it I will be right there, not one second before.

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