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"Widescreen" not on the cover
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantFUBAR
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I would venture to guess that if I submitted a change to add "Blu ray" to the Edition field, that it would be declined.

How is that any different than this? 

Both are covered by other fields within DVDP, and both are very important when making buying decisions.


What point are you trying to make?  This has nothing to do with the rules as written.  Read them again.  Blu ray and HDdvd are not DVDs, they are what will ultimately replace DVDs.  If a Blu ray had  one version manufactured in Widescreen and another manufactured in 4:3 then there would be two editions to be differentiated, and according to the rules we would be obliged to list both, wouldn't we?
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I would venture to guess that if I submitted a change to add "Blu ray" to the Edition field, that it would be declined.

How is that any different than this? 

Both are covered by other fields within DVDP, and both are very important when making buying decisions.


What point are you trying to make?  This has nothing to do with the rules as written.  Read them again.  Blu ray and HDdvd are not DVDs, they are what will ultimately replace DVDs.  If a Blu ray had  one version manufactured in Widescreen and another manufactured in 4:3 then there would be two editions to be differentiated, and according to the rules we would be obliged to list both, wouldn't we?


My point is that "Blu ray" and "HD-DVD" and "DVD" are all different versions of the same release and under the Rules as some wish to interpret them, the fact that those descriptors appear on the DVD box, makes them valid entries for the "Edition" field since they would help "distinguish between different versions".
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I would venture to guess that if I submitted a change to add "Blu ray" to the Edition field, that it would be declined.

How is that any different than this? 

Both are covered by other fields within DVDP, and both are very important when making buying decisions.


What point are you trying to make?  This has nothing to do with the rules as written.  Read them again.  Blu ray and HDdvd are not DVDs, they are what will ultimately replace DVDs.  If a Blu ray had  one version manufactured in Widescreen and another manufactured in 4:3 then there would be two editions to be differentiated, and according to the rules we would be obliged to list both, wouldn't we?


My point is that "Blu ray" and "HD-DVD" and "DVD" are all different versions of the same release and under the Rules as some wish to interpret them, the fact that those descriptors appear on the DVD box, makes them valid entries for the "Edition" field since they would help "distinguish between different versions".


I disagree with your logic Hal. DVD, Blu ray & HD-DVD are not editions, they are media types.
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I would have to agree... they are different media types.... so a completely different situation in my opinion.
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I disagree with your logic Hal. DVD, Blu ray & HD-DVD are not editions, they are media types.


The criteria is will the "Edition" field "help distiguish between different versions of the same release".

I am not sure how you can say that DVD, Blu ray and HD-DVD don't meet that criteria. 

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...and ensure it will help distinguish between different releases of the same title.
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Hal,

One important difference is that you can filter out Blu-ray and HD DVD in the "Add DVD" window, but you can't filter our Fullscreen.

Star Wars II (and probably the other films in the series, I haven't checked) was released in both Widescreen and Fullscreen. These have a banner that says "Widescreen" and "Full Screen" respectively. Star Wars I was also relesed in both Widescreen and Fullscreen, but without the banners. So is it your opinion, then, that the two Star Wars II releases are different editions, but the two Star Wars I are not?

But we can dance around and say "why this and why not that" forever, until someone can come up with a definition of "Edition". And I do wish the someone would be Ken. If Ken says "It has to be in a banner" then that's good enough for me. If it must be on the front cover, then he should state that, as well. Then all doubts would be removed and we could all live happily ever after... 
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Hal,

One important difference is that you can filter out Blu-ray and HD DVD in the "Add DVD" window, but you can't filter our Fullscreen.

Star Wars II (and probably the other films in the series, I haven't checked) was released in both Widescreen and Fullscreen. These have a banner that says "Widescreen" and "Full Screen" respectively. Star Wars I was also relesed in both Widescreen and Fullscreen, but without the banners. So is it your opinion, then, that the two Star Wars II releases are different editions, but the two Star Wars I are not?

But we can dance around and say "why this and why not that" forever, until someone can come up with a definition of "Edition". And I do wish the someone would be Ken. If Ken says "It has to be in a banner" then that's good enough for me. If it must be on the front cover, then he should state that, as well. Then all doubts would be removed and we could all live happily ever after... 


You are now talking about program functionality and not about what the Rules actually say.
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Star Wars II (and probably the other films in the series, I haven't checked) was released in both Widescreen and Fullscreen. These have a banner that says "Widescreen" and "Full Screen" respectively. Star Wars I was also relesed in both Widescreen and Fullscreen, but without the banners. So is it your opinion, then, that the two Star Wars II releases are different editions, but the two Star Wars I are not?
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It is my opinion that we should not "make up" editions that do not appear on the actual DVD cover, ever.  The fact that it lists "widescreen" in the special features section does not qualify it as an "Edition" in my book.

If it did then there are a ton of DVDs that need to be updated with "Widescreen".
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Gunnar:

The point has already been made that the Full Screen Edition DOES have a banner, Therefore, the distinction between the TWO HAS already been made.

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I don't know what event you are talking about, Unicus. You weren't involved in the conception process. That was TWO users who I am intimately acquainted with. So you have nothing to remember in that regard.


Wow.  Talk about completely missing the boat. 

Did you even read the post I was responding to?  I was talking about the writting of the rules.  You claim the intent of this rule has always been to take the edition from the front cover.  ya_shin, on the other hand, claims that the rules group "deliberately did not limit this to the front cover."

Same event, two different 'rememberings'.  Do we understand now? 
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Gunnar:

The point has already been made that the Full Screen Edition DOES have a banner, Therefore, the distinction between the TWO HAS already been made.

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Now this is an excellent argument, and I agree wholeheartedly.

My own personal opinion is that the "Edition" field is pointless.  I would be in favor of doing away with it.
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I disagree with your logic Hal. DVD, Blu ray & HD-DVD are not editions, they are media types.


The criteria is will the "Edition" field "help distiguish between different versions of the same release".

I am not sure how you can say that DVD, Blu ray and HD-DVD don't meet that criteria. 

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...and ensure it will help distinguish between different releases of the same title.


I agree with Pete and 8ball.  'Harry Potter', on HD DVD, and 'Harry Potter', on DVD, are not different versions of the same release.  They are different releases...an HD release and a DVD release.
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It is my opinion that we should not "make up" editions that do not appear on the actual DVD cover, ever.  The fact that it lists "widescreen" in the special features section does not qualify it as an "Edition" in my book.

If it did then there are a ton of DVDs that need to be updated with "Widescreen".


I don't disagree with your opinion.  Unfortunately, the rules open that door and say it is 'ok' to do.  I don't like it, but I will not vote contrary to the rules.  I honestly don't see a way around it...other than voting 'neutral'.
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Every time this discussion comes up it reminds me of the similar 'uncredited' discussions.

In both cases there are those who like and want the information and there are those who don't see the need for it. For the most part neither side has convinced the other side to give up.

As far as the edition field IMO the rules works as is. There are the occasional instances that don't work, but that's OK. The rules will never be able to cover everything.
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I don't know what event you are talking about, Unicus. You weren't involved in the conception process. That was TWO users who I am intimately acquainted with. So you have nothing to remember in that regard.


Wow.  Talk about completely missing the boat. 

Did you even read the post I was responding to?  I was talking about the writting of the rules.  You claim the intent of this rule has always been to take the edition from the front cover.  ya_shin, on the other hand, claims that the rules group "deliberately did not limit this to the front cover."

Same event, two different 'rememberings'.  Do we understand now? 


Wow talk about missing the boat. You were talking about writing, i was talking about conceptualization, two different processes at two different times. If you were responding to Achim he,was correct in the writing but not in concept. The group did recognize the banners on the back, but once again we are not talking about any kind of banner here, this is about inventing a non-existent edition out of whole cloth.

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It is my opinion that we should not "make up" editions that do not appear on the actual DVD cover, ever.  The fact that it lists "widescreen" in the special features section does not qualify it as an "Edition" in my book.

Well, again that comes back to what constitutes an "edition". A banner does not an edition make, IMHO.
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If it did then there are a ton of DVDs that need to be updated with "Widescreen".

Well, we're getting a lot of updates that add "Widescreen" because it's on a banner, even if there is no other edition (and if a fullscreen edition is not initially released, chances are slim that one will be released later). How is that better than adding "Widescreen" when there are actually fullscreen editions as well?

I'm almost inclined to agree with FUBAR that the edition field is pointless, at leats as it is used today. But hey, if others find it useful, I don't mind if it stays. I do wish the rules would be clearer, though.
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