Boy we have a lot of people who think the are qualified shrinks around here. You don't know me AT ALL, tlevel. You only think you do. MYOB

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All of you people who seem to get off on blaming Skip (and sometimes me) for all the dissention in this forum really need to step back and take a long hard look in the mirror.

This TV child thing for instance.  There are a lot of people who think the current rules on TV sets are screwed up.  They want child profiles.  They want a box set called a box set whether it has movies or TV episodes in it.  That's why there are a lot of such profiles in the database.

I'm sick of people hiding behind a bad rule and refusing to even have an honest discussion about it.  Some of you bitch about this rule being broken then turn around and twist some other rule to suit your own preferences.  At least I have been consistent on this issue from the start.

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me what the difference is between a TV season of 20 hour-long episodes on 5 discs in keep cases, and a movie boxset with 20 50-minute movies on 4 discs in keep cases. What is the actual tangible, physical difference?  And if there is none, why are we treating them as if there is?

Can any of you answer that without hiding behind some arbitrary rule that is obviously in error?  Do any of you have the honesty to admit that those TV rules are wrong?

I've already said I could live with a compromise, but some of you aren't even willing to meet that halfway.  Are your egos that fragile?

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This TV child thing for instance.  There are a lot of people who think the current rules on TV sets are screwed up.  They want child profiles.  They want a box set called a box set whether it has movies or TV episodes in it.  That's why there are a lot of such profiles in the database.

You are correct. There are also a lot of people who do not want child profiles for their TV sets (I like them personally)

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I'm sick of people hiding behind a bad rule and refusing to even have an honest discussion about it.  Some of you bitch about this rule being broken then turn around and twist some other rule to suit your own preferences.  At least I have been consistent on this issue from the start.

Following a rule isn't hiding behind it As far as discussion go how can you not say there haven't been any. Some of the longest discussion we have had have been regarding this issue. Everybody should by this point know what "the other side" is saying. I know I for know can cite the arguments from both sides in my sleep.

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I'm still waiting for someone to tell me what the difference is between a TV season of 20 hour-long episodes on 5 discs in keep cases, and a movie boxset with 20 50-minute movies on 4 discs in keep cases. What is the actual tangible, physical difference?  And if there is none, why are we treating them as if there is?

If you don't know the difference you haven't been paying attention. It has been brought up every time we have the discussion. Redundancy of the cast information is a key issue, but there ar more. I do find it hard to believe after a year and a half of the same arguments yiu don't know what the other side's position is. Perhaps that is part of the problem.

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Can any of you answer that without hiding behind some arbitrary rule that is obviously in error?  Do any of you have the honesty to admit that those TV rules are wrong?

Whether they are wrong or not is not the issue. Whether I (or others) think they should be changed or not is not the issue. The fact is there are rules and we have to follow them whether we agree with them or not. Another fact is we sent revised rules to Ken over a year ago. None of those (unless I missed something) were included in the new rules here at Invelos. Ken had the opportunity to change the rules, and he did in some cases. He did not in dealing with TV sets.

There are always going to be people who oppose of a rule, or thinks it's wrong, outdated, stupid, whatever. That doesn't give them the right to violate it. Do the TV rules need to be adjusted? Absolutely 1000% yes. Without inout in the for of exactly what direction Inveols wants up to proceed it is a waste of time.

As many have been saying for a week now the next move is up to Ken. Once he tells us where the program is going and how he wants TV sets handled then we can revise the rules to match.

Did that answer you questions?

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Quoting Rifter:

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This TV child thing for instance.  There are a lot of people who think the current rules on TV sets are screwed up.  They want child profiles.  They want a box set called a box set whether it has movies or TV episodes in it.  That's why there are a lot of such profiles in the database.

You are correct. There are also a lot of people who do not want child profiles for their TV sets (I like them personally)

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I'm sick of people hiding behind a bad rule and refusing to even have an honest discussion about it.  Some of you bitch about this rule being broken then turn around and twist some other rule to suit your own preferences.  At least I have been consistent on this issue from the start.

Following a rule isn't hiding behind it As far as discussion go how can you not say there haven't been any. Some of the longest discussion we have had have been regarding this issue. Everybody should by this point know what "the other side" is saying. I know I for know can cite the arguments from both sides in my sleep.

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I'm still waiting for someone to tell me what the difference is between a TV season of 20 hour-long episodes on 5 discs in keep cases, and a movie boxset with 20 50-minute movies on 4 discs in keep cases. What is the actual tangible, physical difference?  And if there is none, why are we treating them as if there is?

If you don't know the difference you haven't been paying attention. It has been brought up every time we have the discussion. Redundancy of the cast information is a key issue, but there ar more. I do find it hard to believe after a year and a half of the same arguments yiu don't know what the other side's position is. Perhaps that is part of the problem.

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Can any of you answer that without hiding behind some arbitrary rule that is obviously in error?  Do any of you have the honesty to admit that those TV rules are wrong?

Whether they are wrong or not is not the issue. Whether I (or others) think they should be changed or not is not the issue. The fact is there are rules and we have to follow them whether we agree with them or not. Another fact is we sent revised rules to Ken over a year ago. None of those (unless I missed something) were included in the new rules here at Invelos. Ken had the opportunity to change the rules, and he did in some cases. He did not in dealing with TV sets.

There are always going to be people who oppose of a rule, or thinks it's wrong, outdated, stupid, whatever. That doesn't give them the right to violate it. Do the TV rules need to be adjusted? Absolutely 1000% yes. Without inout in the for of exactly what direction Inveols wants up to proceed it is a waste of time.

As many have been saying for a week now the next move is up to Ken. Once he tells us where the program is going and how he wants TV sets handled then we can revise the rules to match.

Did that answer you questions?

No, it really didn't.  You didn't answer the question about box sets.  There is no tangible difference between a Tv set and a movie set as I described above.  They both can be profiled in essentially the same way.  Cast and Crew is no longer an issue now that we have dividers.  The real issue is calling a boxset a boxset and not arbitrarily saying this one is and that one isn't because the source of the video is different.  By the time it gets to the DVD authoring stage, its just a video file.  You couldn't identify that file to save your life if you had to, just by looking at the file specs - because there is no actual difference!  Any difference is created in our own minds, not in the actual physical object.

I've been in stores all over this country, and in hundreds of online stores, and have not found a single one that calls a TV season set (ie. Stargate, Friends, etc.) anything other than a boxset.  Yes, we've been arguing about this for a year and a half, but only because one side refuses to discuss it in good faith unless the other side knuckles under and goes strictly by the rules.  That is the problem:  the rules are wrong, and you can't have a discussion on the merits of changing those rules if one side says we won't play unless you go by the rules.

So, yes, Ken needs to deal with this, and the sooner the better.  Frankly, I don't understand the problem, because it seems to me that the whole thing would be easier to deal with under one set of revised rules as one entity, instead of treating it as if they were two different animals.

No problem at all with fixing it. I wish we could and am more than willing to help.

Without direction from Invelos however it is a waste of time IMO.

Yeah Ken...
That is basically it. Some ppl feel it just plainly shouldn't be done because of this in the TV Series rules...

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Note: In rare cases where multiple Complete TV Series are packaged together, the Box-set rules can be applied, treating each series like a single film - applying the above rules for it’s individual profile.

and other people feel it can be done with the compromise that the parent profile be left alone... and no boxset info uploaded to the online database.

other then that not sure of any other complaints.

Forget it.