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So where do we need to get "Title" from ? |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 |  Posts: 426 |
| | Posted: | | | | The rules seem contradictory.
First they say you need to take the Title from the film's credits. But later on it refers to the title as it is on the box, example "There's Something More About Mary".
I don't think getting the title from the film's credits is correct at all, since we would not need 'original title' then. I am pretty sure that the film's credits also never show a translated title, which is clearly what should be in the Title field if the box shows a translated title.
So, assuming we DON'T take the title from the credits. Where do we take it from ? The front cover, the spline, the rear, the disk,... ? |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | The rules indeed seem a bit confusing at first, but it's really quite simple:
The "title" field is the title from the DVD cover (if there's a difference between the front cover and the spine, consensus seems to be to use the front cover). The "original title" comes from the film's credits, and is only to be entered when it's different from the "title" field. |
| | Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Posts: 426 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
The "title" field is the title from the DVD cover (if there's a difference between the front cover and the spine, consensus seems to be to use the front cover). The "original title" comes from the film's credits, and is only to be entered when it's different from the "title" field. Ok, Martin, hope you are reading this  , since I got a No vote for removing part of a title which is not on the cover, but is on the spine. |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Repter: Quote:
Ok, Martin, hope you are reading this , since I got a No vote for removing part of a title which is not on the cover, but is on the spine. I didn't know that. My "if there's a difference between the front cover and the spine, consensus seems to be to use the front cover" comment originated from this question I posed two weeks ago. If we favour the front cover on that, it seems logical to extend that practice. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Repter: Quote:
The rules seem contradictory.
First they say you need to take the Title from the film's credits. But later on it refers to the title as it is on the box, example "There's Something More About Mary".
I don't think getting the title from the film's credits is correct at all, since we would not need 'original title' then. I am pretty sure that the film's credits also never show a translated title, which is clearly what should be in the Title field if the box shows a translated title.
So, assuming we DON'T take the title from the credits. Where do we take it from ? The front cover, the spline, the rear, the disk,... ? The rules are very clear on where to get the title. In fact, the main rule is the first line in the section: Use the title from the film's credits.There are times when things on the cover can modify certain aspects of the title section, but the main rule is clear and absolutely unequivocal. Anybody that says otherwise is dead wrong, and is substituting personal preference for the rules. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964
Make America Great Again! |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
The rules indeed seem a bit confusing at first, but it's really quite simple:
The "title" field is the title from the DVD cover (if there's a difference between the front cover and the spine, consensus seems to be to use the front cover). The "original title" comes from the film's credits, and is only to be entered when it's different from the "title" field. This is quite simple! It says to take the Title from the film's credits! There are then exceptions for foreign films, TV Series and for DVD releases where they have "modified" the name for marketing purposes. The "Original" title is not necessarily what appears in the film's credits. Many "foreign" films get released in countries other than their origin with the film credit having been translated into another language altogether. Clint Eastwoods "spaghetti westerns" all fall into this category. | | | | Hal |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Repter:
You can make any rule confusing if you wish. Read the Rules. The title comes from the film. There IS mention of the covcer in a spSPECIFIC reference. To be precise
"# Modified Titles: The Original Title field will contain the original theatrical title, while the Title field will contain the title of the DVD release. For instance, for the Special Edition rerelease of There's Something About Mary:
* Title: There's Something More About Mary
* Original Title: There's Something About Mary
Are you talking abou some sort of modified title. And generically, I might be inclined to agree with Martin about the spine. Can you provide some specifics, via PM might be best.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 465 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
The rules are very clear on where to get the title. In fact, the main rule is the first line in the section:
Use the title from the film's credits.
There are times when things on the cover can modify certain aspects of the title section, but the main rule is clear and absolutely unequivocal. Anybody that says otherwise is dead wrong, and is substituting personal preference for the rules. To make that (yet again) clear to you English speaking users: For at least 80 or 90% of the time the non English part of the community does not take the Profile titles from the credits. For us the rule for Foreign Films applies. | | | | Michael |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree with everything the others have said, but it's important to realise that the exceptions that are named in the rules, actually have this as a result: Use the title from the DVD cover in the "title" field, and the title as it appears on-screen in the "original title" field (only if it's different). If anyone can supply me with an example on which this "condensed" version of the rules on titles doesn NOT apply, I'd be happy to hear about it. Again: I agree with everything that is said, and I agree with everything that's in the rules, but it all really can really be condensed into that single sentence. It's just the short and clear answer what Repter was asking for, something which he can easily apply, and with which I'm pretty sure he won't make a single "title" mistake ever. The "modified titles" bit says it all: Quote:
The Original Title field will contain the original theatrical title, while the Title field will contain the title of the DVD release. There's no need to over-complicate these things... | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Posts: 426 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ok, for this particular No vote I got, I will check what the credits say. Then I'll come back here and post what the cover says vs what the credits say vs what the spine says . (But I'm pretty sure the credits will be totally different since the cover is a translated title...). | | | | Last edited: by hevanw |
| | Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Posts: 426 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
"# Modified Titles: The Original Title field will contain the original theatrical title, while the Title field will contain the title of the DVD release. For instance, for the Special Edition rerelease of There's Something About Mary:
I find this part of the rule quite funny. Because I would define 'modified title' as a title that is different from the one that is in the credits. So this basically makes the rule that you must take the title from the credits with that exception, totally obsolete. 1. Either the title in the credits is the same as the one on the cover. 2. Either it is different, and then per 'modified title' rule you take the one from the cover. So in any case, you can always take the one from the cover, no ?! Just like T!M I am interested in seeing an example where the Title in the profile is taken from the credits and is NOT the title on the cover. | | | | Last edited: by hevanw |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Repter: Quote:
I find this part of the rule quite funny.
Because I would define 'modified title' as a title that is different from the one that is in the credits. So this basically makes the rule that you must take the title from the credits with that exception, totally obsolete.
1. Either the title in the credits is the same as the one on the cover.
2. Either it is different, and then per 'modified title' rule you take the one from the cover.
So in any case, you can always take the one from the cover, no ?!
Just like T!M I am interested in seeing an example where the Title in the profile is taken from the credits and is NOT the title on the cover. You're absolutely correct - glad to see you're not fooled! I assume someone will be able to come up with an example, probably on something that Americans consider a "foreign film". But for you and me, all we need to know on titles is that the title from the DVD cover goes in the "title" field, and the title as it appears on-screen (only when it's different) goes in the "original title" field. The rules just have a rather roundabout way of saying that...  | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Try possessives guys, or quotes. As for the SE reference in the Rules, the title On Screen There's Something About.... while the title on the cover is There's Something More About...., same is true of Badder Santa; On Screen is still Bad Santa. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TigiHof: Quote:
Quoting Rifter:
Quote:
The rules are very clear on where to get the title. In fact, the main rule is the first line in the section:
Use the title from the film's credits.
There are times when things on the cover can modify certain aspects of the title section, but the main rule is clear and absolutely unequivocal. Anybody that says otherwise is dead wrong, and is substituting personal preference for the rules.
To make that (yet again) clear to you English speaking users: For at least 80 or 90% of the time the non English part of the community does not take the Profile titles from the credits. For us the rule for Foreign Films applies. Well, duh! I do believe I said there were things that modify that, did I not? | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964
Make America Great Again! |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 4,679 |
| | Posted: | | | | In other words, this rule absolutely unequivocally applies to every title except to those where it does not apply. What could be simpler to understand...?  | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
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| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
As for the SE reference in the Rules, the title On Screen There's Something About.... while the title on the cover is There's Something More About...., same is true of Badder Santa; On Screen is still Bad Santa. Correct! Two perfectly fine examples that are processed correctly by my condensed rule: Use the title from the DVD cover in the "title" field, and the title as it appears on-screen in the "original title" field (only if it's different). In all my years as an avid DVD Profiler user, I have never encountered a title which couldn't be handled by this condensed rule. I do assume they exist - although I'd love to hear ten good examples - but that's no reason to burden all all users with nearly a full page of rules, exceptions, modifications and the like, while the whole matter can be easily condensed into a single sentence. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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