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country of origin help.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantDvdjon
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Hello all.

There is one person who are trying to change lotr fellowship of the ring ectended UK version from usa to new zealand as country of origin. The person claims this is a new zealand picture. I claim it is an american movie made in new zealand and has woted no what do you guys think?
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God, no! Here we go again

Opinions differ as to CoO of these films. IMO the CoO is New Zealand. They were all produced by Peter Jackson's production company Wingnut Films , which is a New Zealand company.

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Read this thread.


Now you've done it. After reading that thread he'll be even more confused
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Its definately New Zealand 
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why where fellowship of the ring nominated for 13 oscars in 2002 then? the oscars are for american films whit one measly exception the best foreign film.

To state imdb and shurely whatever place you guys check out :

Copyright Holder
New Line Productions, Inc.

the list over producers are also quite convincing as every executive producer is held by new line
Peter Jackson ....  producer 
Michael Lynne ....  executive producer: New Line Cinema 
Mark Ordesky ....  executive producer: New Line Cinema 
Barrie M. Osborne ....  producer 
Rick Porras ....  co-producer: WingNut Films 
Tim Sanders ....  producer 
Jamie Selkirk ....  co-producer: WingNut Films 
Robert Shaye ....  executive producer: New Line Cinema 
Ellen Somers ....  associate producer (as Ellen M. Somers)
Fran Walsh ....  producer 
Bob Weinstein ....  executive producer 
Harvey Weinstein ....  executive producer 


and hey hey hey bob and harvey weinstein
they are americans too.

i do reconize this as a joint venture, but I am not convinced that the CoO is new zealand before usa.
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I think it would help if there was something in the rules that officially addressed where to take the CoO from.  Usually when something new gets added to DVDP the rules are updated to address it, but in this case it just kind of slipped in there with no guidance at all.

Some people argue it should be the lead production studio, some people argue it should be the lead distribution studio, and I've even seen people argue that it should be the country where the majority of the film was shot.

Reading some of the other threads (like the one linked above) it appears the intent was to use the country of where the main theatrical distribution studio is based out of, but if that's true it would be nice for it to be officially in the rules.
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Not to mention the fact that the software can't handle multinational co-productions, which can also lead to heated debates about which country should come first (as we have to pick just one, as it stands now).

Much debate would become unneccesary if DVDP would deal with CoO's in the form of a list of checkboxes, as we are already using for Subtitles (cf. this thread in Feature Requests).
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why where fellowship of the ring nominated for 13 oscars in 2002 then? the oscars are for american films whit one measly exception the best foreign film.


Not exactly. It's not "foreign film", but "foreign LANGUAGE film" (you can check here).
Which means that all films in English, no matter where they're from, can compete for the "Best Picture" award and other awards.

Edit: even the Oscars website mentions LOTR: Fellowship of the Ring as a New Zealand/USA production.
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Multiple CoO's, Ken!
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Which means that all films in English, no matter where they're from, can compete for the "Best Picture" award and other awards.


That's not exactly correct either. ALL movies, including foreign language films, that have had a cinematic run for longer than seven days in LA are eligible as long as they have English subtitles. You see that if you go to the next page from the one you linked to 

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Yeah, it really should be mentioned in the rules somewhere.
It's been stated by Gerri that the CoO field is for the country of the primary production company.
In the case of the LOTR films, that's Wingnut who are based in New Zealand.
It would be a lot easier if multiple CoOs were allowed, but until then we'll just have to keep arguing! 
And where did you get the idea that the Oscars were only for US films? Oh wait, maybe it's because they only ever nominate their own films!   
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That's not exactly correct either. ALL movies, including foreign language films, that have had a cinematic run for longer than seven days in LA are eligible as long as they have English subtitles. You see that if you go to the next page from the one you linked to 

For example Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon was nominated for Best Picture in 2000.
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Yeah, it really should be mentioned in the rules somewhere.
It's been stated by Gerri that the CoO field is for the country of the primary production company.
In the case of the LOTR films, that's Wingnut who are based in New Zealand.


Maybe I'm missing something and Ken/Gerri changed their mind, but this is the quote from Gerri:

Quoting Gerri Cole:
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Yes, that is the intention, Lord of the Rings would be US. It is where the production companies are based.

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This is where the confusion comes from. Gerri says "It is where the production companies are based." but at the same time she says that "LOTR would be US."
I think that at the time of posting, Gerri didn't realise that Wingnut was actually an NZ company. Certainly after the subsequent discussion (argument), none of the updates changing the CoO to NZ were declined, at least not on the copies I have.
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Multiple CoO's, Ken!


Then we'll have people arguing which should be listed 1st...which should be listed 2nd...etc.
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