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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorDaddy DVD
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Registered: March 14, 2007
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What do you prefer from the above as a common name for your local database?
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Since I don't keep my cast and crew data locked and have no intention of ever maintaining them myself, I would have to accept the online as my primary source.
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For contribution purposes, I have to go with the one in Invelos' database - even though it obviously won't always stroke with the balance in my own database. But the latter is just inevitable: for literally every existing name variant, there's going to be a user for which that's the only occurance of that particular cast or crew member, and thus their "local" common name. The system just can't work that way, and I'm certainly not going to edit six common names (add some, remove others) every time I want to contribute something, and then change them all back afterwards. If I were ever to decide to completely stop contributing for some reason, maybe then I'd switch to "local" common names, or in some cases maybe even to "real"/"correct" names. But as long as I want to be able to contribute, I'll have to go with the one in Invelos' database.

I must say I've found the slew of fact-finding threads on some of the less obvious ones to be very helpful, though, as they allow us to start using the actual common name right away, instead of having to propagate the wrong one for some time to come.
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Same here. I know the online database is far from accurate, but I don't think that I can do a better job just locally. It's only possible with just a few DVDs (but I have more than a few ) or when I use all my spare time to check/correct the cast and crew locally.
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I use my local database, with the following principles:
- use "real" name when it is known (generally through personal sites). "Real name" means name used by the actor in activity. It can be a stage name.
- use IMDb name for unknown actors, except when they use roman numbers to differentiate homonyms
- use birthday year to differentiate homonyms, if necessary fake birthday year.

I contribute only new profiles. For them, I use only "as credited" name. Then, in my local I replace the "as credited" name by common name, then lock the profile. I quite never use in my local the "credited as" feature, except for extreme cases (Alejandra Flores credited as Ivette Gonzalez, for example).

That is sad, but use of Invelos database is the last thing to do if you want a correct linking.
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Since I do contribute and I also don't lock cast data, I am somewhat forced to use Invelos/CLT for the common name, but what I would *prefer* is something different.

If it were up to me, when it comes to aliases, I would use the name the actor/actress currently goes by. So for instance the Rock would be Dwayne Johnson regardless of what CLT says since that is what he goes by these days. This comes up fairly often from an anime fan's prespective as aliases are used religiously for voice actors.  Currently I have to use many VA's aliases as their common names because it is their most creditted form, which just seems wrong to me. For instance, doing a search for Steven Blum, you'll find a VA that is also known as David Lucas. He used to go by David Lucas but has since unionized and is going by Steven Blum (or a varient of that) full time.  Likewise doing a search for David Lucas won't get you anything but sites about Steven Blum.  It just seems wrong to credit everything David Lucas [Steven Blum] when David Lucas technically doesn't exist. This is only one example, it happens all the time.

I understand that the method I mentioned probably has flaws, and like I said, I follow the Invelos way as best I can so I can help the community with my anime contributions. 

As for name varients, like dashes between names and spelling differences, I think CLT is great for deciding which form should be used. 
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I chose other because:
I use the CLT as a guideline, but if I find inconsistencies I try to verify the result agains my local data. When, what quite often happens, the two contradict each other I check here (the inofficial Invelos common name database).

In the rare cases when I get a third result I prefer the "local" common name for my local database and restrain from contributing profiles with these "irregular" common names.
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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Since my local cast list is a rip-off from IMDb, so are the common names.
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For the two users who prefer Option #3, want to guess my answer. I'll give you a hint, why are you using Profiler?<shrugs>

My personal preference is none of the above as I have discussed numerous times. Anythingb that is totally dependent on user input is flawed at the outset, there are a few users who you need look no further than their posts to understand why. I think linking remains by and large a loacl issue, but it is nice to be able to share the data as long as it is properly verified for NameA=Name=B, instead of allowing assumptions which will cause us nothing but trouble, and that does not mean "i did extensive research and it is". But I still; believe the simple association method like wise doumented would work far better, there no dependence on user generated data, it simply with verification NameA=NameB=NameC=NameD and none of them have any priority over any of the others. If you search on Name B you will get exactly the same list of films as you would get if searched on NameD. The list could be proritized based on which name you specifically chose to Search on and the others could be list in some oredr of frequency, ascending, descending whatever, b ut your link is there and it works. More importantly the fights END.

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Quoting DJ Doena:
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Since my local cast list is a rip-off from IMDb, so are the common names.

Do you use some kind of periodical update process or do you take them only once?
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Since my local cast list is a rip-off from IMDb, so are the common names.

Do you use some kind of periodical update process or do you take them only once?

I rip only once, but twice a year a run a duplicate names check to find out if a birth year or common name has changed.
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For the two users who prefer Option #3, want to guess my answer. I'll give you a hint, why are you using Profiler?<shrugs>

Because it's a very good DVD Manager? Just the cast name cross linking doesn't work properly and I doubt it will ever work as long as there's no real identifier for actors.

As I said numerous times before: It doesn't have to be perfect, it has to work.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorJimmy S
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As I said numerous times before: It doesn't have to be perfect, it has to work.

Exactly
The online database isn't needed at all to use the software. It does it job perfectly without it (even better). To answer the initial question, I use my personnal database for the common name. It isn't necessary more trustworthy than imdb or the one here, but it is perfect one for me.
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When I am auditing cast and crew my first check for common name is to see what I have locally. I usually try to delete the variations and see which ones have the most titles assigned.

From there I look at the CLT.

The vast majority of my local collection is AS CREDITED (from doing full audits a couple of years ago), so I KNOW that my cast is accurate.

So if I see that James Blogs is in my local db 10 times, but the CLT shows James A. Blogs is the more popular I have to check further. I will invariably find that the CLT results are wrong, eg. that the 10 films I have locally are incorrectly credited via the CLT.

Subsequently I keep James Blogs as the common name and DON'T submit the profile.

This is a VERY, VERY, VERY frequent occurrence; and it's one of the major reasons why I would like the Credited As feature a local only feature - and it pleases me immensely that Ken is considering doing this.

However....to be fair....Ken's subsequent suggestion of making the downloading of this information optional is the better solution. It meets everyone's requirements and I see no reason for anyone to complain about it.
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Ken's subsequent suggestion of making the downloading of this information optional is the better solution. It meets everyone's requirements and I see no reason for anyone to complain about it.


Fully agree with that.
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