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Is it allowed to use the Rating Details of Rating System B on a DVD that is rated by Rating System A?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorCorne
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Yesterday I voted NO on a contribution that added rating details to a Dutch profile, which has been collected from the ratings information website. So far it's all within the Rules. But in The Netherlands there are two rating systems. Before 2002 there was a Rating System called "Videovoorlichtingsysteem (ViVo)". From january 2002 a new Rating system was introduced, called "Kijkwijzer" with an official website: http://www.kijkwijzer.nl. All DVD released before 2002 were rated by ViVo. This Rating System didn't have any Rating Details, other than the age only (ALL, sometimes in combination with "Meekijken gewenst (Parental guidance preferred)"; 12 years and over and 16 years and over).

These two systems use different Rating Symbols and different criteria.

The DVD (Mission: Impossible, UPC 8714865555064, Locality: Netherland) in this contribution was rated by ViVo, 12 years and over. The contributor uses the Kijkwijzer website for adding the Rating Details (http://www.kijkwijzer.nl/classificaties2.php?id=5561). I don't think this is allowed by the Rules, because the Kijkwijzer website isn't the ratings information website of the Rating used for this release. You cannot use the Rating Details given by Rating System B for a DVD that is rated by Rating System A. Moreover on the Kijkwijzer website Mission Impossible was rated for television (SBS Broadcasting) only which may be a different cut of the movie altogether.

This is how I see the Rules on this matter, but I'm wondering what other contributors think about this matter.
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The contributor is me

This is a more or less a continuation of http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=328652&messageID=826542#M826542

Let's see what round 2 accomplishes. I'm easy either way, although I have to say that since I already pm-ed Corne that I'd withdraw the contribution and keep things local if his view on the matter was held by the majority of the voters it seems like jumping the gun to me. (It was already 4yes/4no, so he was awfully close.)

So let's just hope that bringing this to the forum accomplishes something this time.
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The rating details is either on the cover or it isn't. So is the rating itself. We don't take it from a website.
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Quoting DJ Doena:
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The rating details is either on the cover or it isn't. So is the rating itself. We don't take it from a website.


Well that's not completely true. The Rating Details can be collected from the ratings information website:

Rules:

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Obtain the rating details in order of preference from:

    * DVD case, usually on the bottom rear
    * Rating page displayed on-screen
    * Filmratings.com, or the equivalent region-specific ratings information website


But I don't think the Rating Details collected from the ratings information website of Rating System B apply for a DVD that is rated by Rating System A.
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Quoting DJ Doena:
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The rating details is either on the cover or it isn't. So is the rating itself. We don't take it from a website.


That is incorrect.

Rating 
Use the Rating shown on the DVD cover. When there is no rating, or an unrated version of the film on the disc, use the NR rating. Use the “Adult” rating for all Adult films.

Enter rating details as shown, excluding the rating itself and trailing period. e.g. "Rated R for sci-fi violence and brief language." is entered as "Sci-fi Violence and Brief Language". Obtain the rating details in order of preference from:

DVD case, usually on the bottom rear
Rating page displayed on-screen
Filmratings.com, or the equivalent region-specific ratings information website
DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorDJ Doena
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Quoting Mallrat:
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That is incorrect.

OK, I didn't read far enough.

But I still think the rating details should at least match the rating on the cover. The Kijkwijzer system was introduced years later, so the given rating details may not match the criteria that were used when the movie was rated under the ViVo system.
Karsten
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Quoting DJ Doena:
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Quoting Mallrat:
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That is incorrect.

OK, I didn't read far enough.

But I still think the rating details should at least match the rating on the cover. The Kijkwijzer system was introduced years later, so the given rating details may not match the criteria that were used when the movie was rated under the ViVo system.



I agree
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Quoting Corne:
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Quoting DJ Doena:
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Quoting Mallrat:
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That is incorrect.

OK, I didn't read far enough.

But I still think the rating details should at least match the rating on the cover. The Kijkwijzer system was introduced years later, so the given rating details may not match the criteria that were used when the movie was rated under the ViVo system.



I agree


And here I thought you were on my side!
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributordee1959jay
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I'd agree with Karsten on this one.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributornorthbloke
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Sorry Mallrat, but I've got to agree with the others too. We can't be sure that rating B was given for the same reasons as the old rating A.
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Count me in as agreeing with Karsten as well.
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So far, it's undecided then? 

You guys are killing me here. I've withdrawn the contribution and will keep the change local. (Since so far the opinions are all going the same way.)
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Quoting DJ Doena:
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Quoting Mallrat:
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That is incorrect.

OK, I didn't read far enough.

But I still think the rating details should at least match the rating on the cover. The Kijkwijzer system was introduced years later, so the given rating details may not match the criteria that were used when the movie was rated under the ViVo system.


Agree.  The source of the details should match the source of the rating.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorbigdaddyhorse
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Quoting DJ Doena:
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Quoting Mallrat:
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That is incorrect.

OK, I didn't read far enough.

But I still think the rating details should at least match the rating on the cover. The Kijkwijzer system was introduced years later, so the given rating details may not match the criteria that were used when the movie was rated under the ViVo system.


This makes the most sense to me as well.
I almost started a poll like this for adding rating details from American films of which I have UK or French releases. Then a glance at the rules saying take from the rating on the dvd cover and not the original film rating stopped me before starting. Just because Killing Zoe is R for "Strong Violence and Language, Plentiful Drug Use and a Sex Scene" in the US doesn't mean it's the same reason in France. I'd bet that the sex and drugs aren't even a factor there, or not nearly as much. Since the uncut French disc is rated 16, that sounds a lot softer than R right off, unless it's the ighest rating in France.

That being said, if you can only find the old ratings reasons and not the updated ones, I'd keep the old ones local just to have something, but that's probably just me. I still put the details for Killing Zoe on my French set, I just won't submit them.
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Something like this has been discussed before and my answer is still no.
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